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No no thread this week do to the historic shutdown. I believe it’s overkill to some extent however i get why it was done.

Interestingly Vudu and other streaming services have movies in theaters up for rental and purchase

The latest Disney Pixar onward, Invisible man, the hunt, Emma

Nothing great really except onward is supposedly good. The others I couldn’t care less about


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Obviously there's not much box office news to report, but I have been going through The Numbers website and I have compiled a chart of all the Bond films (non-EON films in italics) ranked from the most to the least profitable. The number given is the return on investment (ROI); that is, a figure of 3.5 means that the film's worldwide box office was 3.5 times its production budget:

Dr No 59.6
Goldfinger 41.6
From Russia With Love 39.5
Live And Let Die 23.1
Diamonds Are Forever 16.1
Thunderball 15.7
The Man With The Golden Gun 13.9
The Spy Who Loved Me 13.2
You Only Live Twice 11.7
On Her Majesty's Secret Service 10.3
For Your Eyes Only 7.0
Moonraker 6.8
Octopussy 6.8
Goldeneye 5.9
Casino Royale (2006) 5.8
Skyfall 5.6
A View To A Kill 5.1
The Living Daylights 4.8
Never Say Never Again 4.4
Licence To Kill 3.7
Casino Royale (1967) 3.5
Tomorrow Never Dies 3.1
Die Another Day 3.0
SPECTRE 2.9
The World Is Not Enough 2.7
Quantum Of Solace 2.6

The Bonds ranked by bankability (average ROI per film):

Sean Connery (EON only) 44.6
Sean Connery (including NSNA) 40.7
Roger Moore 17.6
George Lazenby 10.3
Timothy Dalton 4.3
Daniel Craig 4.2
Pierce Brosnan 3.7

Average ROI (all films): 12.2
Average ROI (EON films): 12.9

Of the 3 Bond films to not meet the magic 3.0 ROI threshold, one was a Brosnan film and two were Craigs. Sadly, Brozza's average still falls below Craig's, though Craig does have the dubious distinction of having made the least profitable Bond film of all time.
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I’m not sure how accurate those numbers are.
We know LTK was in the red until GE revived the series, on paper eon has always said a bond movie always makes money, the reality is different because of high P&A of the recent movies since the late 90s
For brosnan bonds it was DVD that boosted them to huge profitability, DAD had the head of MGM bragging it was the most profitable bond in the history of their collaboration with eon,
I think CR was supposed to have made $100 million profit after its run which cost as much as dad. I couldn’t see what they have cost but numbers has $209 million from dvd sales
I haven’t thought about it in a long time, I need to look at what they have vs the old numbers we had on actual returns on the movie budge.




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Ah the have the budget for Cr as $102 million which was pounds not dollars, that was part of the early spin they had cut the budget to make the movies more profitable but used GPB to talk about cost. It actually was within a few million of DADs budget


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Obviously I'm only as good as my sources. If The Numbers says that a film made back x times its production budget, I have no way to independently verify that figure. But I don't think LTK lost money, though it underperformed by Bond standards.

And yes, the figures are for theatrical release only. Most films make the bulk of their revenue through home media (and, more recently, streaming on mobile devices).

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Well about the time of CR there was memos from accountants the were released/leaked the foot notes version was the backers and studio were not going to make another dalton movie, they wanted pierce brosnan. Lead reason for the casting change LTK finished in the red, I think the number we had reflected it as well, actual gross from ticket sales vs cost . I think they followed up with it wasn’t until GE hit vhs and dvd that the renewed interest for bond help LTK cross the line in to profit.

But most of Craig and brosnan could finish in the red but make the profit on home video, mostly because of bloated budgets after GE


The numbers is pretty good but they do go back to fix erroneous data, that CR budget is from one story maybe two in 2006


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More statistics, this time, the average profitability of those directors who have done more than one Bond film:

Terence Young 38.3
Guy Hamilton 23.7
Lewis Gilbert 10.6
Martin Campbell 5.7
John Glen 5.5
Sam Mendes 4.3

Apart from Campbell and Glen being transposed, the numerical order is the same as the chronological order of first film.
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Humm
Interesting. I need to find the numbers mazer gave is

For the most part I think the numbers breakdowns are pretty good


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Maybe I should post what streaming ranks are, Scoob! Was another test of the digital market, trolls did so well theater owners are boycotting universal who might find out they don’t need theaters after all

I need to see what Scoob! we didn’t buy it because we weren’t that interested and our nieces and nephews didn’t seem to care either


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