Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

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The logic gaps and plot holes are essential to Bond films :P
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carl stromberg wrote:I suppose the Real IRA is less politically controversial as many people who supported the Provisionals regard them as renegades. Any form of IRA or any paramilitary related characters could be used as nowadays those connected with the Northern Irish paramilitary groups are involved in organised crime, so villains could use them.
It's been a long time since I read FRWL (the novel), but as I recall, Red Grant was considered too much of a loose cannon even for the IRA. I suppose even a terrorist organisation needs someone who is able to stay focussed on their mission and doesn't just go off and do whatever he feels like because he enjoys killing for its own sake. That aspect of his character didn't make it into the film, so I used it for McGarvey instead.
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carl stromberg wrote:Purvis and Wade may nick the Hugh Janus gag! I liked the Moneypenny introduction, and Eon will do something similar if they want to explore her origins. I hadn't heard of Lt. Jane Moneypenny before!
I'd say the chances of P&W reading this thread are slim to none. Like I said in the footnotes, I don't know if EON has the rights to use the name Jane, since it comes from The Moneypenny Diaries (which I haven't read, so I have no idea if my origin story contradicts Samantha Weinberg's).
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Not bad :up: some good rips in it too :)

Not how I'd like to see MP reintroduced but with the current regime I can't foresee anything better coming down the line
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Mazer Rackham wrote:Not bad :up: some good rips in it too :)

Not how I'd like to see MP reintroduced but with the current regime I can't foresee anything better coming down the line
How would you like to see Moneypenny's introduction handled? And what do you mean by "good rips"?
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Q and M can be anyone presumably. Therefore, you can turn up in a new Bond film and have someone called Arthur Cartwright and introduce him a Q, the Quatermaster. Or, you could have a young Major Boothroyd.

But Moneypenny is a character so it's a bit more tricky. If you are making a film that is set before Dr. No, then Kristatos's introduction is a very good one.
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carl stromberg wrote:Q and M can be anyone presumably. Therefore, you can turn up in a new Bond film and have someone called Arthur Cartwright and introduce him a Q, the Quatermaster. Or, you could have a young Major Boothroyd.
That's why I decided to have Q absent from the Q scene. The meeting with Major Boothroyd (played by Not Desmond Llewellyn :shock: ) in DN seemed to be their first meeting, so I wanted to hint that the Q in Risico was Major Boothroyd (with the "Do pay attention 007" text message) without stating it explicitly. So I arranged it so that Q had contact with Bond but didn't meet him face to face.

I've been doing some thinking and I have some half-formed ideas for how I'd handle Bond 24 if Risico was Bond 23, assuming Daniel Craig was still Bond (obviously it would be a lot easier with a new Bond, but we can't always get what we want). My guiding philosophy would be to leave certain things fuzzy so that they make equal sense if you take the Craig films as a separate timeline or if you take the order as CR-QOS-Risico-DN...DAD-Bond 24. I'd like to give the audience options. :)

John Cleese would be back as Q, but playing it a lot straighter than his mugging in TWINE and DAD, and I'd use the brainwashing subplot from TMWTGG (the novel). Quantum would kidnap Bond and brainwash him to try and kill M, the way they unsuccessfully used Craig Mitchell (who was actually brainwashed too). Judi Dench would be back as M, and there would be references to the fact that during her time away from MI6 (as referenced at the end of Risico), Quantum had been quiet. Bond has been on many missions since the end of Risico, but none of them involved Quantum. So there is a personal vendetta between Quantum and M. That's as far as I've got with that line of thinking, but I hope you'd get the idea of the direction I'd take the series if EON put me in charge (which they won't, unfortunately).

As a minor detail, I figured I ought to have Felix shot in the leg in the gun battle at the end of Risico. He's back in Bond 24, but walking with a limp. Is it from the bullet wound, or is he wearing a prosthetic limb to replace the one that was bitten off by a shark in LTK? Again, you decide.
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I like it! Good work!
I prefer the old movles (movies/novels, a typo that worked :shock: ) more where Monneypenny is already established and we are the ones just meeting her not the people of Bonds world coming together for the first time. To me that is tricky since they way it was written and filmed it was a functional family with a trust in each other built up over a history we once in while catch a glimpses of.
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Dr. No wrote:I like it! Good work!
I prefer the old movles (movies/novels, a typo that worked :shock: ) more where Monneypenny is already established and we are the ones just meeting her not the people of Bonds world coming together for the first time. To me that is tricky since they way it was written and filmed it was a functional family with a trust in each other built up over a history we once in while catch a glimpses of.
Me too, but since EON decided to go through with this stupid reboot, I'm trying to undo the damage and restore balance to the force, so to speak. I do like the idea of 'penny actually driving the plot for once, though, rather than just sort of being there.
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Penny is very important to the balance of the stories, always knows what is going on and how to balance the Bond and M interactions.

I like the idea of her being a important part of the plot. What about this being her mole hunt and Bond screws it up? She with Ms permission acts as bait to lure the traitors out. You right subverting Ms right hand would be a good start for any enemy.
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Dr. No wrote:I like the idea of her being a important part of the plot. What about this being her mole hunt and Bond screws it up? She with Ms permission acts as bait to lure the traitors out. You right subverting Ms right hand would be a good start for any enemy.
I actually like that idea, it makes MP seem more capable and less of a gullible sap (though she's new, so she can be forgiven for making a rookie mistake). The only downside is that Bond's warning about workplace dating in the final hospital scene was meant to set up a plausible reason why he never succumbed to her advances, and it loses some of its force if she knew Hugh was the mole. It creates a link between 'penny and Bond - he's just lost Alessandra (and Vesper before her) and she's lost Hugh so they have a mutual understanding. It even offers an opportunity to deepen the Moneypenny/Bond relationship in the future - they both have so much in common (naval background, both betrayed by people they loved), yet they are off-limits to each other. Or is that too much like soap opera?
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I get what you are going for. Seeing as Craig's spy is just out of middle school still shaking after his first Sadie Hawkins Dance ;)

I don't know where go with it. One idea was if Penny was on a mole hunt maybe Bodn learns something from penny. Maybe his attitude towards the fairersex is based on penny's. I don't think that idea works too well but given the material we are working with I think Eon would jump at a feminist icon Penny. I would not consider such an idea before the reboot but now they got M as a surrogate mother for him :( "The only female he trusts."
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I like your idea overall, my desire is to get penny back as Penny and bring the series back to where it should be., Jane Bond secretary and common ground for understanding is a decent idea. I kinda saw Penny as above the Bond in pecking order, she didn't have a rank, so she didn't out rank him but I always thought of her and M as fixtures and Bond joined them. M relies on Penny every day and expects Bond to be passing through, killed on mission or what ever. Penny has probably seen 1 or 2 007s.
I also had the idea in the back of mind mind from the Connery movies that after his first day M had "the talk" with Bond about Moneypenny. Hands off, government property kind of deal. I woudn;t be surprised if she were liek a daughter to him(M). but the its not a him anymore is it...
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Dr. No wrote:I kinda saw Penny as above the Bond in pecking order, she didn't have a rank, so she didn't out rank him but I always thought of her and M as fixtures and Bond joined them.
Actually she did, she is referred to in YOLT as a Second Officer, which was the Wren equivalent to a Lieutenant. Since the WRNS no longer exists, having been merged into the regular Navy sometime in the early '90s, Moneypenny would now be a Lieutenant. So Bond, as a Commander, would outrank her.
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Did they ever make reference to that in the movie(s)?

She did look smashing in uniform ;)
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Dr. No wrote:Did they ever make reference to that in the movie(s)?

She did look smashing in uniform ;)
I was referring to YOLT the movie. I never did read the book, which I understand is almost completely different.
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I've just re-read the treatment after sitting on it for a couple of weeks (always a useful thing for a writer to do), and a couple of points occur to me.

1) That stuff about the mockney accent will have to go, sadly. Presumably the characters will have been talking Italian for most of the Sardinia segment, so there's no way for McGarvey to know what Bond's real accent sounds like.

2) I said the film needs a couple more action sequences, and two more have occurred to me. I think I could justify my original idea of Renga's men storming the train by inserting a shot of one of the mutineers on the Albanian ship surreptitiously placing a phone call to Renga at Izmir. There are CIA men on the train, so it could lead to a classic "Bond army vs. anonymous henchmen" conflab, preferably with Barry's 007 theme parping away in the background. Colour-coded jumpsuits are optional ;)

Also, the flashback scene could possibly be beefed up, with Nicholson managing to foil a plot by McGarvey to set off a bomb at the fairground before being shot by his associate.
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Dr. No wrote:Did they ever make reference to that in the movie(s)?

She did look smashing in uniform ;)
I was referring to YOLT the movie. I never did read the book, which I understand is almost completely different.
I didn't catch the significance of that. Of course (to me) WRNS is jibber jabber and Second officer more so ;)
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The Real IRA are back in the news now after an attack on an Army barracks.
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Really? I hadn't heard that over here. Takes time for some stories to get covered
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Kristatos wrote:(1) This comes from an unused idea from Ian Fleming's notebooks, as published in John Pearson's biography of Fleming.
(2) The name Jane comes from the Moneypenny Diaries, so there may be a copyright issue with using it. The rank of Lieutenant is an updating of Moneypenny's previously established rank of Second Officer in the WRNS. Since the Wrens were absorbed into the regular Royal Navy in 1993, I have given her the equivalent naval rank.
(3) As featured in the novel The Man With The Golden Gun.
(4) Ideally, the music should be a Beatles song, as a nod to the line in Goldfinger about listening to the Beatles without earmuffs. Bond could then joke that the room must be full of Stones fans when he sees them putting the earmuffs on.
(5) I figured one gadget was probably enough for now, like Bond's tricked-out briefcase in From Russia With Love. Any more than that and the Craig fans would start complaining that the proles were having too much fun.
(6) A direct quote from the Italian tailor Caracini, quoted in Dressed to Kill: The Suited Hero, edited by Jay McInerny.
(7) Pronounced McGarvey, the name on his birth certificate. He "Gaelicized" it out of nationalist sentiment.
(8) Bernard Hadley is the hero of a series of mod-themed spy novellas written by a friend of mine from my mod days, Helen Barrell. This cameo, and indeed this whole scene is not only a tribute to my past, but an acknowledgement of the following that Bond had among the original 60's mods.
(9) In You Only Live Twice, Bond says that he has flown Little Nellie before. Here's where.
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