Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

User avatar
JackWade CIA
Lieutenant
Posts: 171
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:02 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Live and Let Die GoldenEye Casino Royale
Favorite Movies: The Mask of Zorro Thunderheart Battle of Britain
Location: With Muffy in St Petersburg

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by JackWade CIA »

Kristatos wrote:I've just re-read the treatment after sitting on it for a couple of weeks (always a useful thing for a writer to do), and a couple of points occur to me.

1) That stuff about the mockney accent will have to go, sadly. Presumably the characters will have been talking Italian for most of the Sardinia segment, so there's no way for McGarvey to know what Bond's real accent sounds like.

2) I said the film needs a couple more action sequences, and two more have occurred to me. I think I could justify my original idea of Renga's men storming the train by inserting a shot of one of the mutineers on the Albanian ship surreptitiously placing a phone call to Renga at Izmir. There are CIA men on the train, so it could lead to a classic "Bond army vs. anonymous henchmen" conflab, preferably with Barry's 007 theme parping away in the background. Colour-coded jumpsuits are optional ;)

Also, the flashback scene could possibly be beefed up, with Nicholson managing to foil a plot by McGarvey to set off a bomb at the fairground before being shot by his associate.
If you have to have a reason for Bond being suspicious of Moneypenny then the idea posted of her conducting a secret Mole hunt for M and Bond catching the tell tale signs could give the fodder needed.

M trusts Moneypenny seemingly for no reason, Bond reads the signs, sees betrayal and is even more fanatical is his pursuit because M's apparent blindness. M isn't blind she knows her agency better than Bond and he has to learn to trust that what she says to do is always going to be for what is best.

It has been awhile since the last Bond Army face off. About time to bring it back :) In the context of a prequel it has more meaning because we know he will be facing off like this again and the treat is seeing him use one his armies for the first time. Maybe he should be nervous about it and dislike the heft that the mantel of responsibility brings.
Last edited by JackWade CIA on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:40 pm, edited 3 times in total.
“Your that secret agent! That English secret agent from England!"
User avatar
Kristatos
OO Moderator
OO Moderator
Posts: 12524
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:26 pm
Location: St. Cyril's

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by Kristatos »

JackWade CIA wrote:It has been awhile since the last Bond Army face off. About time to bring it back :) In the context of a prequel it has more meaning because we know he will be facing off like this again and the treat is seeing him use one his armies for the first time. Maybe he should be nervous about it and dislike the heft that the mantel of responsibility brings.
Another great idea. My only worry is that if all these ideas are incorporated into the finished film, it could end up being longer than Gone With the Wind!
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
User avatar
JackWade CIA
Lieutenant
Posts: 171
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:02 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Live and Let Die GoldenEye Casino Royale
Favorite Movies: The Mask of Zorro Thunderheart Battle of Britain
Location: With Muffy in St Petersburg

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by JackWade CIA »

It's all good..

As long as they don't burn down Atlanta;)
“Your that secret agent! That English secret agent from England!"
User avatar
Alessandra
Pam Bouvier
Posts: 1413
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:04 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Dr No, Goldfinger, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough, License to Kill, The Spy Who Loved Me.
Favorite Movies: Sabrina (the original), To Catch a Thief, Charade, High Society, Indiscreet. More recent: The Blind Side, Top Gun, Jerry Maguire, Someone Like You, Wolverine, Spy Game, Miami Vice, Fantastic Four, No Reservations, The Wedding Date, 27 Dresses, How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, The Devil Wears Prada

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by Alessandra »

I really like the idea and I think it's WAY better than both Craig movies combined, needless to say. LOL I like the amount of action just fine and I love the idea behind Moneypenny's arrival. Great. You really did a good job! :up:

The Italian names need some fixing :lol: But that's ok. For example it's Colomba D'Oro... and it's Cagliari. And Lega Sarda (not Liga Sardinia). You seem to know quite a few things about Sardinian bandits? LOL They luckily haven't been at work for quite a while now, in terms of getting media attention, but I swear to you, even in Costa Smeralda where all the nouveau riche go now, there are places where one is SCARED to even drive. Costa Smeralda used to be for the rich, now it's nouveau riche, very sad. The actually classy people go to Forte dei Marmi, in Tuscany. Or well.. some uber exclusive areas of Costa Smeralda in Sardinia, where there's little to none of the soccer players, showgirls and no trace of Berlusconi plus his court. UGH.

Ahahah that style quote is priceless. And absolutely true. I can spot a foreigner, even when they think they're "well-dressed", ESPECIALLY if man, from miles away. I do not know what it is with men abroad. I'm talking in average obviously, not that everyone is like that. Nowadays especially there are those who learnt how to pick clothes that fit and combine them appropriately. But it's still a very small percentage. How do tailors and Alessandra make that comment? Here are a few points, that may be useful for the shopping/tailor scene:

The jackets on foreigners never fit right. They almost always have shoulders that are too broad, and they always need to be a size less at the very least, in order to have a minimum of "line". They're always too straight in cut, while instead they need to have a waistline (yes even for men). And when it's a suit... the trousers are almost always A)way too large and B) too short.

Then there's the socks. This is a majorly important chapter. The details make a gentleman, remember! :D It is absolutely, completely and totally forbidden by the Italian canons of elegance to wear short socks. Or those horrid mid-calf socks. And that's what the vast majority of foreign men wear. Tragedy :lol: . Socks must be right under a man's knee. And they must be made with a special type of extra fine cotton or extra fine wool. And no, you cannot and must not wear multi-colored socks (or socks with puppets, dots, and stuff). Ever. Or even worse, white. There is a saying in Italian that nothing turns off a woman like a man with white socks, ESPECIALLY short white socks. :lol: Funny, but true. Navy Blue, Charcoal/Light Grey, Black, Burgundy, Dark Brown, Beige/light blue (for the summer, with beige suits). That is it. No other sock colors allowed!

Next chapter: the shirts and ties. OMG. Too long to explain, but basically here too: allowed colors for Oxford shirts are light blue and white mainly. With an appropriate outfit you can wear a navy blue or black shirt, but that must be VERY carefully examined, because the gangster look is right around the corner with those. The navy blue is fine with a light grey suit or a beige one. But no tie in that case, it's for a more casual suit look. That is IT in terms of colors as far as shirts for suits are concerned. That means no you don't wear a pink shirt with a suit, no you don't wear a light violet shirt with a suit (seen it countless times LOL. Especially in London! And I'm talking the City, since that's where my company's headquarters were). No you don't wear pastel green (seen that too) or any other combination of pastel color.
You can wear Vichy checkered (that means very small squares) shirts (white and various shades of blue rigorously) or striped shirts. BUT they must be discreet. And careful, the tie with those must be strictly one color. No stripes, no drawings, no squares. One color that matches the stripe or square color in the shirt. And there's no wearing striped shirts with pin-striped suits. Those require strictly a white or light blue Oxfort shirt. LOL this is getting WAY too long.

And most of all, the deal breaker: THE SHOES. If everything else is fine (which, hardly ever it is), I swear the shoes are wrong in 99% of cases. Always with outdated styles, thick soles (horror) or the Dolce & Gabbana latest which is even worse LOL. So basically yeah, what Alessandra (what a nice name haha :mrgreen:) tells Craig is exactly the reaction a stylish Italian would have when seeing a "well-dressed" foreigner.

There ARE people who are well dressed abroad as well. But Italians just have a different flare when wearing things. Bottomline, an elegant, classy, stylish Italian is very hard to beat. I HAVE seen well-dressed British and American men. They were dressed like Italians :lol: :lol: Now really there are many American stylists I love, who make great things. Same applies to Burberry or Barbour or Church's for the English (except Church's was bought by us Italians a few years ago :mrgreen:). The problem is just the people don't know how to pick and wear them in most cases. Again this is a broad generalization, so don't take offense. Being a generalization, it's bound to be very wrong in some cases. I've definitely seen well-dressed people in London and in New York... they're just a minority, a smaller percentage than what we have here in Italy. (And yes there are very badly-dressed Italians too, especially nowadays. Unfortunately, vulgarity has taken over way too high a percentage of the population).
"Are we on coms?"
User avatar
Kristatos
OO Moderator
OO Moderator
Posts: 12524
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:26 pm
Location: St. Cyril's

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by Kristatos »

Ale wrote: The Italian names need some fixing :lol: But that's ok. For example it's Colomba D'Oro... and it's Cagliari. And Lega Sarda (not Liga Sardinia).
It's been a while since I wrote that, but as I recall, I was trying to use the Sardinian forms of names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language). Just as McGarvey insisted on the Irish Gaelic form of his name as an expression of his Irish nationalism, I figured that Sardinian seperatists would use the Sardinian language.

Incidentally, I got the name Renga more or less at random from a website on Sardinian surnames. Now that I'm finally reading Diamonds are Forever (leaving You Only Live Twice as the only work of fiction by Fleming that I've yet to read, though I have skimmed it in bookstores), I wonder if I should name the villain Serrafimo Spano or Spagnoli instead, since Fleming's villains Jack and Serrafimo Spang were not used in the film version of DAF,their place being taken by Blofeld. Spang sounds like an Americanized Italian surname, but the same website gives those names which are close. Spano is only one letter different, though Spang is perhaps more likely to be an Americanized version of Spagnoli. It'd be nice to use a name taken from Fleming (sort of).

Thanks for the feedback on Italian fashion. I wasn't planning to go into that much detail in a synopsis, but if I ever get around to working it up into a full script, I'll certainly bear your comments in mind.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
User avatar
Alessandra
Pam Bouvier
Posts: 1413
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:04 pm
Favorite Bond Movie: Dr No, Goldfinger, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough, License to Kill, The Spy Who Loved Me.
Favorite Movies: Sabrina (the original), To Catch a Thief, Charade, High Society, Indiscreet. More recent: The Blind Side, Top Gun, Jerry Maguire, Someone Like You, Wolverine, Spy Game, Miami Vice, Fantastic Four, No Reservations, The Wedding Date, 27 Dresses, How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, The Devil Wears Prada

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by Alessandra »

Kristatos wrote:
Ale wrote: The Italian names need some fixing :lol: But that's ok. For example it's Colomba D'Oro... and it's Cagliari. And Lega Sarda (not Liga Sardinia).
It's been a while since I wrote that, but as I recall, I was trying to use the Sardinian forms of names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language). Just as McGarvey insisted on the Irish Gaelic form of his name as an expression of his Irish nationalism, I figured that Sardinian seperatists would use the Sardinian language.

Incidentally, I got the name Renga more or less at random from a website on Sardinian surnames. Now that I'm finally reading Diamonds are Forever (leaving You Only Live Twice as the only work of fiction by Fleming that I've yet to read, though I have skimmed it in bookstores), I wonder if I should name the villain Serrafimo Spano or Spagnoli instead, since Fleming's villains Jack and Serrafimo Spang were not used in the film version of DAF,their place being taken by Blofeld. Spang sounds like an Americanized Italian surname, but the same website gives those names which are close. Spano is only one letter different, though Spang is perhaps more likely to be an Americanized version of Spagnoli. It'd be nice to use a name taken from Fleming (sort of).

Thanks for the feedback on Italian fashion. I wasn't planning to go into that much detail in a synopsis, but if I ever get around to working it up into a full script, I'll certainly bear your comments in mind.

Oh, that Sardinian "dictionary" is wrong. LOL. The names aren't spelled like that at all. It's still Lega Sarda and Cagliari. The Sardinian names are other ones, like for example S'Archittu (mostly ending in U. That means "the little arc" and it's the name of a small and beautiful Sardinian village at sea). And Sardinian "dialect" is absolutely incomprehensible to Italians as well, but it's not a language, it's a dialect. If you go there, people speak Italian. With a specific regional accent, but that's valid for every region in Italy. Each region and province has different accent and most of all each single province has a different dialect. Different areas within the same province will have a different dialect. That's dialect though, not mainstream language. As in, stuff you can use to have a joke or two in a script if you want, but that wouldn't be understood even by most Italians who aren't from that region and province. And, nowadays people all speak Italian. They would speak dialect only if they have extremely poor education.

The correct spelling for the villain name is Serafino (not Serrafimo, that's not a name in Italian. Serafino is it, and it has a Latin and catholic origin, Serafino is a type of angel). Spang has nothing to do with Italian last names, I'm not sure if it's an Americanized version of something or if it has nothing to do with it? Spano is a common last name. If you want to use Italian names, whatever area you prefer, I can provide you with last names from different areas (EG Ferrari is the most common last name in Italy, that's valid throughout the country. Rossi is the same, extremely common and valid throughout. Esposito is very common but it's a specifically southern-Italian last name, etc). Nobody would be called Serafino nowadays unless they were 70 at least LOL. Renga is the last name of a very popular Italian singer (popular right now I mean, and I even know him personally, weird). I'd use Renga and for name you need a much more modern one. Lorenzo is a name that would most likely work in a script as it is used in Spanish too, so lots of people would understand it. And it is very much of an Italian name (and one of my brothers is named Lorenzo, but that's got nothing to do with the point). Just an example.
"Are we on coms?"
User avatar
Kristatos
OO Moderator
OO Moderator
Posts: 12524
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:26 pm
Location: St. Cyril's

Re: Bond 23: Risico (fanfic)

Post by Kristatos »

Ale wrote: Oh, that Sardinian "dictionary" is wrong. LOL. The names aren't spelled like that at all. It's still Lega Sarda and Cagliari. The Sardinian names are other ones, like for example S'Archittu (mostly ending in U. That means "the little arc" and it's the name of a small and beautiful Sardinian village at sea). And Sardinian "dialect" is absolutely incomprehensible to Italians as well, but it's not a language, it's a dialect.
Well, linguists more cunning than me have been arguing about the point at which a dialect becomes a language for centuries. I'm sure Sardinian seperatists would refer to it as a language, and try to make it as different from standard Italian as possible.
"He's the one that doesn't smile" - Queen Elizabeth II on Daniel Craig
Post Reply