Main reason why Craig is not Bond..

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What is your main criticism of Craig as Bond

Doesn't look the part
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51%
Lacks "Bond essence"
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28%
Too old for rookie Bond
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6%
Lacks charisma
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11%
Too short
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4%
 
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Jedi007 wrote:how's this forum guys.
Great to see you Jedi007!

We are a tad slow right now, with Bond production news starting up we should have a busy 2015.

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I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that the runaway favorite is Craig's looks. The reason I'm not a fan is that the movies are no fun and Craig's Bond is a brooding ninny. Really the things that the Simpsons referenced.
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Problem Eliminator wrote:I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that the runaway favorite is Craig's looks. The reason I'm not a fan is that the movies are no fun and Craig's Bond is a brooding ninny. Really the things that the Simpsons referenced.
I think the fact that he doesn't look the part was the most immediately offputting thing for me when I first saw CR, and that's why I voted for it. That doesn't mean that the other factors you cite aren't important.
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In all honesty the appearance is my main beef, followed by height. The others I can live with. I don't really care that he's not as suave and swanky as Connery or Moore. Dalton wasn't either, but it didn't stop him being awesome. Though even Dalton had more suavness than Craig. As a big literary fan I think of Bond as 6"1 with jet black hair, not a 5"10 guy with golden locks.
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I wanted to vote for all of them :)
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If there would be an option for "emotionally unbalanced crying ninny", I would've voted for that.
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Lacks of Bond essence (i considered that it's included the look).
The wit and ice cold blue eyes are still there (although the wit is nowhere near Connery and Brosnan), but outside of that, no.
Also, why people considered him to be close to Fleming's Bond in atmosphere wisely? Fleming's Bond is a very classy man and look like a Hollywood A-Lister. Craig looks more like one of those high ranking henchman, and outside of hanging around A-class places, nothing he does is classy.
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Doesn't look the part.
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All the above but most important ones-doesn't look the part,lacks the essence and charisma..Bond is a man every man wants to be and every woman want to be with.The only way Craig could sweep the lady off the feet is to put his leg for her to fall..Why is James Bond such a phenomenon?Why are there people buying James Bond perfumes?Not because James Bond look like a guy who beats the hell out of people in pubs...certainly not.
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You know what just really gets me?When Craig fans say how Craig is closest to Fleming's Bond.Oh,lord.As far as I recall Fleming's Bond was extremely good looking,and an impressive naval commander.He came from upper class(his family even has their own motto-come on.)He was also a little snobish(as Fleming was himself).He cared about his martini's and everything.Craig,on the other hand looks like a guy who only heard of Budwiser in his whole life.Oh,and that moment in CR when they make Bond NOT coming from and upper class family...yeah,yeah,Craig is totally Fleming's Bond. _./// Fleming himself wasn't pleased with Connery's casting at first because he thought Connery doesn't have finesse and sophistication Bond should have.Can you just imagine what he would think about Craig?
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He's either Fleming's Bond or a new Bond for the 21st century, depending on which aberration they happen to be defending at the time.
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Kristatos wrote:He's either Fleming's Bond or a new Bond for the 21st century, depending on which aberration they happen to be defending at the time.
Let's not forget "he looks like a killer" argument. This is the reason where it is most obvious that Craigers aren't older than 12. The truth is actually the opposite. Bond hides his killer instict under his "boyish charms" to reference M. Seriously, any stereotypical killer from a Tv movie looks like a killer. Would he make a good Bond? Of course not.Bond is an agent and he kills if he has to but the key is that he is sophisticated,charismatic. Didn't Terence Young said how Bond needs to be sophisticated. "Bond can smile at you at dinner in his tux and the next moment stick you with a steak knife. If he doesn't have a charm he's just another killer." This just explains it all.
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Craig lacks the Bond essence which includes looks,charisma and height as well.I don't know if I should laugh or cry at those comments how Craig is better because he is realistic..Yeah,right.I can't believe someone really thinks how real life spies are anything like James Bond.I don't believe real life spies dinner with their "assigment" and talk about their plan.Or they are flying with enemies personal plane and hit on personal pilot.Or the perhaps disguise as Japenese.Bond is an escapism.Slogan "every man wants to be him and every woman wants to be him" is right exactly because of it.Why are people buying James Bond perfumes?Probably because they wanna feel like James Bond(or Bond girl,the female fragrance is out!).People always want something they can't have have easily,something that is not entirely realistic.People watch movies because they are diffirent than everyday events in our lives.Seriously,if I want to watch something entirely realistic then I'll go watch evening news.What people(at lest before Craig) wanted to see in a Bond movie.FOr example.straightning tie in some situations when we would die.Reacting cool to everything.When Bond introduces himself as "Bond.James Bond." women should go weak at knees.When Craig said it I was like:"Don't fool yourself."
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It doesn't help that the rebooted Bond was developed so Badly. He's got a chip on his shoulder, the size of Southend Pier. Yet, we are expected to believe that Bond would not have been kicked out of whatever forces he trained in pre-MI6.
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Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:It doesn't help that the rebooted Bond was developed so Badly. He's got a chip on his shoulder, the size of Southend Pier. Yet, we are expected to believe that Bond would not have been kicked out of whatever forces he trained in pre-MI6.
The whole reboot thing wasn't needed.All they needed to do was the thing in the line of "Moonraker-For Your Eyes Only".Talking about CR-the whole story might be good on the paper but the film was utterly boring and non-exciting.Aside Craig as Bond,Eva Green didn't thrill as Vesper.Her characterisation was entirely bland an yet we are said to believe how this is the woman Bond falls hard for.In terms of character she wasn't better than so many Bond girls.At the end we find out that she was a pawn in the game this whole time.We were practically said that how "Vesper is different and more phsycologicaly complexed" yet I didn't see it.Her character was very poorly written,the romance was worse than any soap-opera crap.It's like Michael Campbell doesn't know how to do romance so he borrowed incredibly corny and soap-operaesque dialogue.And the poker game... :roll: I can give it promps for INCREDIBLY GORGEOUS Caterina Murino and her amazing dress as well as jewelry and Ivana Miličević an actress who played Le Chiffre's lover because she comes from the same country as me.The rest...best Bond film ever?I don't think so.It's not even a Bond movie.Critics can be bought I guess.Craig is not James Bond.He is a generic action hero that can be found in any spy/action movie from Hollywood.James Bond could is a man you just rute for because he just has charisma that has to be admired.
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Oh,wait.Now I actually remembered what the plot was about.The bad guy loses the money and his grand plan is to get it back by the game of luck? :roll: yeah,definitely not the best Bond ever.
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Veronica wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:It doesn't help that the rebooted Bond was developed so Badly. He's got a chip on his shoulder, the size of Southend Pier. Yet, we are expected to believe that Bond would not have been kicked out of whatever forces he trained in pre-MI6.
The whole reboot thing wasn't needed.All they needed to do was the thing in the line of "Moonraker-For Your Eyes Only".Talking about CR-the whole story might be good on the paper but the film was utterly boring and non-exciting.Aside Craig as Bond,Eva Green didn't thrill as Vesper.Her characterisation was entirely bland an yet we are said to believe how this is the woman Bond falls hard for.In terms of character she wasn't better than so many Bond girls.At the end we find out that she was a pawn in the game this whole time.We were practically said that how "Vesper is different and more phsycologicaly complexed" yet I didn't see it.Her character was very poorly written,the romance was worse than any soap-opera crap.It's like Michael Campbell doesn't know how to do romance so he borrowed incredibly corny and soap-operaesque dialogue.And the poker game... :roll: I can give it promps for INCREDIBLY GORGEOUS Caterina Murino and her amazing dress as well as jewelry and Ivana Miličević an actress who played Le Chiffre's lover because she comes from the same country as me.The rest...best Bond film ever?I don't think so.It's not even a Bond movie.Critics can be bought I guess.Craig is not James Bond.He is a generic action hero that can be found in any spy/action movie from Hollywood.James Bond could is a man you just rute for because he just has charisma that has to be admired.
Yeah, reboot was so UNNECESSARY...look at AVTAK (MOORE) & TLD (DALTON).
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AVTAK was incredibly campy and silly and not to be taken seriously(like practically every Moore Bond movie) and TLD more serious in the terms of plot but the Bond character was still recognizable.He still drinks his martinis shaken no stirred,still loves good vines.They even had "Better make that two" comment at the beginning although that didn't quite worked with Dalton(IMO).There were still some "glib remarks" to quote 006 although that didn't quite(IMO) work with Dalton as well.Oh,and the ending is in a true Bond fashion..M thinks Bond is on a task.Oh,yes he is. :spy: but to make Bond some,I need to say this completely unattractive thug who "doesn't give d**n" if his martini is shaken or stirred.All I saw was darkness at that moment.
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Veronica wrote:AVTAK was incredibly campy and silly and not to be taken seriously(like practically every Moore Bond movie) and TLD more serious in the terms of plot but the Bond character was still recognizable.He still drinks his martinis shaken no stirred,still loves good vines.They even had "Better make that two" comment at the beginning although that didn't quite worked with Dalton(IMO).There were still some "glib remarks" to quote 006 although that didn't quite(IMO) work with Dalton as well.Oh,and the ending is in a true Bond fashion..M thinks Bond is on a task.Oh,yes he is. :spy: but to make Bond some,I need to say this completely unattractive thug who "doesn't give d**n" if his martini is shaken or stirred.All I saw was darkness at that moment.
I mean they dont needed REBOOT back in the 80s...so why they rebooted the series with craig back in 06...SO UNNECESSARY. :^o):
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Babs wanted to make her boyfriend Bond.That's why they did it.I honestly don't know what's with the whole "Bond formula woudn't work" in today's world.Good God,they mean that charismatic,sophisticated secret agent wouldn't work...well that's just hilarious as saying that Denise Richards is totally believeable as a nuclear scientist.
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