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I'VE already found and used my "ignore" button to deal with "characters" whose opinions I have NO respect for (and will therefore not waste any effort to argue with), as they have less to do with any thoughtful, careful, INTELLIGENT discussions that they purport to value and more to do with being contrary, apologist and delusional for their own smug self-satisfaction. In the end, all I can do is express MY opinion and let others make of that as they will and just not give a $#!+ about those characters I don't care for; I've found many things in life a LOT easier to deal with by that approach.
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Eh, in the past we've had some pro-Craigs here who would.not.leave.it.alone. I rose to the bait,on more than one occasion.I'm not proud of that. I'll give the current pro-Craig's on this site some credit:They generally know when to dial it down.






There was a pro-Craig who used to post here who didn't know how to do that;they no longer post here.




It was for the best for DCINB;if that person had been allowed to continue to post here, everyone would have left and/or been banned;it was honestly that bad.
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JackJamesBond007 wrote:[Trying to "battle me" or "wind me up", that is called being an immature troll. I cannot see the moderators standing for that, enjoy your probable temporary ban hopefully it will make you grow up.
Mate, I've been on this site since the very beginning, know everyone here very well, including the mods, and look at everyone here as friends. Sure, I have a differing opinion, but this site as always allowed differing opinions, and it has rarely descended into any heated arguments, as everyone here treats each other with respect and has a sense of humour.

You've popped up on here as a newbie and start an attack on me. You sound like a very angry young man. Careful who you are messing with......you may end up with a temporary ban to calm you down a little, or for you to learn to grow up. :wink:
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kater23 wrote:Eh, in the past we've had some pro-Craigs here who would.not.leave.it.alone. I rose to the bait,on more than one occasion.I'm not proud of that. I'll give the current pro-Craig's on this site some credit:They generally know when to dial it down.






There was a pro-Craig who used to post here who didn't know how to do that;they no longer post here.




It was for the best for DCINB;if that person had been allowed to continue to post here, everyone would have left and/or been banned;it was honestly that bad.
The way our new angry friend is behaving on here, he may be going the same way.....
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l think he is the best bond actor, i haven't willing to watch this serie before him. He was the reason for being a fan of of that movie. And my favourite one is casino royale he and eva green showed a great performance. The movie was full of action:-) But i didnt like skyfall much. My expactation was big and some of scenes were in Turkey. Altough i am from this country i dont like the movies involved here. l think this is not because turkey is not a good place to make a film. This due to producers do not give importance this films. All they do show some wievs but with not a good story. The only good one film shooted here is argo. The last comment i want to make about skyfall is that Javier barden is a big actor and he played very well.
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Hello Meh. How's Turkey doing these days?
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I'm a new member here and i'd not like to bring a fight by saying this, but, i think that Craig IS a great Bond. As i ALWAYS like to state, it's definetly NOT his fault, but Pervis, Wade, Barbara and the lack of edition or production of the films. Yes the films are great, but, if you don't like them, you'd need to remember that Craig's there and he's obviously being paid to be there, and if he's not the greatest Bond of all for you, maybe that's cause your requirements of direction aren't being met. If he's not a great actor, the point i'm trying to bring up is, the fault is of the scripters and directors. Dan is doing a great job out there, and so are the directors, but the fault would be of Barbara and Pervis and Wade. I just don't like them, they are kinda ruining the series. There are too many more action scenes than the previous films - though they're great - but don't we miss those conversations with the villains like in AVTAK, or Goldeneye, or FRWL? Yes we do.

I don't know if what i'll say now it's true, but Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace's films were supposed to be like the original books. [ Correct me someone, if I'm wrong. And No, I've didn't read them yet. ]
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I almost didn't approve the above post, since we have so many "dissenting views" on this site that it's becoming indistinguishable from the EON-approved fan forums. But Timothy Brosnan has said elsewhere that he prefers Brosnan to Craig. I agree that Craig is a symptom, not the cause, but his casting is a product of the same desire to steer Bond in a more middlebrow direction that led to the selection of directors like Marc Forster and Sam Mendes. I don't know how you can say that there are more action scenes now. Casino Royale and Skyfall each had three big action setpieces (QOS probably had more, but I wasn't counting, and I am trying to blot out my memories of that film), whereas Cubby always aimed for 12 or 13 "bumps", as he called them.
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I approve your comment, Kristatos. But, the thing is, Bond is not supposed to be a pussy (Cr-egg is), he's supposed to be a superman in a fantasy/comic-book styled action films like GE/TND. It's how Bond can be portrayed in the modern world. But, what Babs did is simply taking Fleming's character to a high leveled pussy at top notch, and deriving characterization from his feminine side, such as crying, hating, failing, seduced by men (a la Silva) that annoys me a lot. I don't mind if Craig plays Bond, BUT.... if he does it properly only. However, it's too late for that, because the franchise is already ruined, Honest Trailer video says it all if anyone has seen it. Bond is dead, it's someone else, a wimp trying to run the franchise and assume his identity which I cannot and shall never accept.

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Well, he has to have some vulnerabilities, otherwise the films wouldn't be very exciting. Even Superman has kryptonite, not to mention his intense loyalty to his friends. But I'm not that interested in Bond's character arc, and neither (whatever the Craigskis say) was Fleming. Any background detail on Bond in the books was relegated to two digressions from the main narrative, the dossier in FRWL and the obituary in YOLT. But sadly, this sort of emoting is what audiences seem to want, it's no use just blaming Barbie and Ken. Dredd was a film that was totally focussed on its hero's mission, and it bombed.
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Craig has been involved with some of the creative decision, but I don't put the entire blame on him. While I don't care for Craig's portrayal of Bond, my hostility for the producers is far greater. They've abandoned pretty much everything that made the series so cool and unique.

Anyway, welcome to the forum, TimothyBrosnan. :cheers:
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I know I've been critical of Sam Mendes, but I did get the sense that in Skyfall, he was at least trying to throw a few bones in the direction of fans of the classic Bond films. I suppose I should give him credit for that.
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Look, heroes are not meant to be emotional, look at Sly's characters, he never expressed himself in a film aside First Blood, but to be honest, no one would've resisted that situation he was in. However, Bond is supposed to be a super hero just without superpowers, stopping extreme supervillains from annihilating the human race, or destroying the world, or dominating it, using extreme McGuffins, deadly plots, fantasy I'd say... That's what Bond is, at least the cinematic one, which is the reason for the character's success and popularity. Superman is not as heroic as Frank Miller's Batman is. Come on, Miller's Batman literally Rocks!! Someone who doesn't give a d**n about his emotions and feelings, because he considers it suitable for wimpy women, not men.

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Thanks for the welcome guys.

I understand your points about telling that Bond is not sensible. I remember how Roger Moore, Connery knocked the women in the face, with no pity or feeling. The only cold killing death of craig that I could remember right at This moment, was in QoS when he killed Mitchell. I have many hopes for Bond 24, i hope that our great agent comes back.

Specially now that we have another M. The point is, i loved Judi, but what if it was Her character since 2006 who brought up this sensible Bond? Remember that as we're in the reboot, Bond is still on the beggining of his job. He's not that Badass we'd know out there (That's a shame, Barbara really ####ed up at that part). She brought a female M, but i don't want a Sensible Bond anymore tho even i like it. I know that he needed to be cold-hearted since the beggining, but not everyone knows everything. In Bond 24 he may be a lot more mature than in the previous films, remember that even tho he was trained again in Skyfall, he'll need to do it all over again before B24.

I liked him as Bond specially because of that, from CR to SF we can see that even Bond wasn't perfect. He cried? yes he did. He have feelings? hes he does. But as i said above, i'm following the timeline of the reboot. We'll have our dear cold-hearted Bond back and that'll be very soon. Within 3 years at least.
The Saint 007 wrote:Craig has been involved with some of the creative decision, but I don't put the entire blame on him.
I entirely agree with you on this part. He's not to be fully blamed, even though he was choosen wrong to play the role, he is doing the best he can.

Craig is still going to show his haters that he can do a great job. I like him as Bond, I still have hope. I know it hurts most of you to read this lol, but we have two more films with him.
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The thing is... Craig doesn't want Bond to become the Bond we were fans of, he wants the Bourne-inspired "Cold Killer" and emotionally unstable bloke, John Logan also stated that he wants to "explore Bond's fear and vulnerability", which means they will continue with what they started in 2006. But, I must say, he was d**n awesome in Blood Stone's script.
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"Look, heroes are not meant to be emotional."

Too bad nobody told old Bill Shakespeare that. His characters emote all over the place.

There is a 3,000-year tradition in Western Literature as to what it means to be a hero. It dates back to at least the Iliad (that preceded even Batman). Come to think of it Achilles got quiuuute emotional at the death of Patroclus.
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Gala Brand wrote:"Look, heroes are not meant to be emotional."

Too bad nobody told old Bill Shakespeare that. His characters emote all over the place.

There is a 3,000-year tradition in Western Literature as to what it means to be a hero. It dates back to at least the Iliad (that preceded even Batman). Come to think of it Achilles got quiuuute emotional at the death of Patroclus.
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Bond isn't Rambo, though. Robert McKee in his influential book "Story" contrasts Rambo unfavorably with Bond, saying that the reason he stopped at three films (the book was written before the most recent Rambo movie) is because he's such a one-dimensional killing machine, whereas Bond has more layers to him, being essentially Batman and Bruce Wayne at the same time.
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Gala Brand wrote:"Look, heroes are not meant to be emotional."

Too bad nobody told old Bill Shakespeare that. His characters emote all over the place.

There is a 3,000-year tradition in Western Literature as to what it means to be a hero. It dates back to at least the Iliad (that preceded even Batman). Come to think of it Achilles got quiuuute emotional at the death of Patroclus.
Let me get this straight:

"Look, I don't want to see my heroes sweat or struggle, or get upset, or have dilemmas. I just want to see them swing in, smack the crap out the badguys, crack a pun or too, then disappear, smiling at the knowledge they've done a good job. Leave emotional dilemma to Shakespeare".

--Frank Miller on the modern pussified media.

I didn't make this up, if you don't believe me, google it. Miller's own words, and yes, I'm a massive Frank Miller fan.
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JackJamesBond007 wrote:
Gala Brand wrote:"Look, heroes are not meant to be emotional."

Too bad nobody told old Bill Shakespeare that. His characters emote all over the place.

There is a 3,000-year tradition in Western Literature as to what it means to be a hero. It dates back to at least the Iliad (that preceded even Batman). Come to think of it Achilles got quiuuute emotional at the death of Patroclus.
Let me get this straight:

"Look, I don't want to see my heroes sweat or struggle, or get upset, or have dilemmas. I just want to see them swing in, smack the crap out the badguys, crack a pun or too, then disappear, smiling at the knowledge they've done a good job. Leave emotional dilemma to Shakespeare".

--Frank Miller on the modern pussified media.

I didn't make this up, if you don't believe me, google it. Miller's own words, and yes, I'm a massive Frank Miller fan.
Well, the hero has to have *some* struggles. The story would be pretty boring if he was never in any danger.
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