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http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/daniel- ... -with-mgm/

Adds the additional tidbit that Sony will co-finance Bond 25 (extending its agreement to co-finance Skyfall and Bond 24)
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Napoleon Solo wrote:http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/daniel- ... -with-mgm/

Adds the additional tidbit that Sony will co-finance Bond 25 (extending its agreement to co-finance Skyfall and Bond 24)
You might as well say goodbye to the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and instead send in the freaks as Bond.
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Oh well. We'll see what happens. Bigger news perhaps is Sony extending their partnership. We always knew Babs would hold on to Daniel as long as she could. Still unless this means a new movie 2014 and 2016 I don't know if this contract extension will be fulfilled.

As I was saying earlier its basically up to Daniel to quit and he has nothing else going for him.
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Blowfeld wrote:As I was saying earlier its basically up to Daniel to quit and he has nothing else going for him.
DC quitting is one thing. Bond 23 crashing/burning down and ending up forgotten in all departments (especially here in the US) is another.
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I've been done with Bond so long this don't phase me. By the time Craig leave we may not have had a Bond movie in 20 years. Life too sort all I can say is they will not be getting any more of my money.

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People poke fun at Roger Moore, and to a lesser extent, Sean Connery, for staying in the role of Bond for too long. But Craig is so overrated and pampered by the producers, critics, and fans, that he can keep playing Bond until he's in a wheelchair. Oh, the hypocrisy.....

If Craig ends up matching or surpassing Roger Moore's Bond film record, I'm going to be furious.
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If it were a young actor it would make more sense, Pierce looked older in DAD not to too old but very close. He had one more in him but never got it. Craig look old in 2006 him having 10 years as Bond would be remarkable but maybe one film too many that Pierce was worried about, Sean Connery and Roger Moore had a point where they weighted the merits and may of done one too many. I had hopes they'd get back to making Bond films this decade but.....
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And Bond slips further behind the times.

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FormerBondFan wrote:
Napoleon Solo wrote:http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/daniel- ... -with-mgm/

Adds the additional tidbit that Sony will co-finance Bond 25 (extending its agreement to co-finance Skyfall and Bond 24)
You might as well say goodbye to the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and instead send in the freaks as Bond.
Farewell to the franchise FBF......we are now officially done here :!: :down: :down: I won't bother with 4 more years of this clown as Bond. Send in Marty Feldman at once. At least the Putin Clone had his or her say in the comments page. Ale, forget Cavill. They won't need him in 6 years. No need to be concerned about this franchise any longer. It's been laid to rest by an evil green vegetable at Eon. :down:
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bjmdds wrote:
FormerBondFan wrote:
Napoleon Solo wrote:http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/daniel- ... -with-mgm/

Adds the additional tidbit that Sony will co-finance Bond 25 (extending its agreement to co-finance Skyfall and Bond 24)
You might as well say goodbye to the traditional tall and dark-haired Bond and instead send in the freaks as Bond.
Farewell to the franchise FBF......we are now officially done here :!: :down: :down: I won't bother with 4 more years of this clown as Bond. Send in Marty Feldman at once. At least the Putin Clone had his or her say in the comments page. Ale, forget Cavill. They won't need him in 6 years. No need to be concerned about this franchise any longer. It's been laid to rest by an evil green vegetable at Eon. :down:
We can only hope if Bond 23 ends up like LTK, especially here in the US. This may not guarantee DC being sacked, but hopefully we would at least not have the existence of DC having his three times the charm Bond movie just like Sean's GF, Rog's TSWLM and Pierce TWINE as those films reached the top, surpassing their two respective predecessors. BJ....you understand that DC quitting is just one thing, but having Bond 23 to crash and burn (critically and financially, especially here in the US) and to be forgotten in the American movie awards department (meaning NO nominations) is another. I can imagine those minions thinking that with DC, Bond movies can now break BO records as well as getting award nominations.
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It doesn't say Craig has signed a contract to extend his 4 pic deal to a 5 pic deal. I don't really believe it. If Sony were smart (not EON cause we all know they're retarded) they would wait to see how Skyfall performs before doing something like financing craig's Bond for an extra picture. Thats only about 2 months away. Hell if Sony was really smart they'd wait till craigs 4th film was out to see if it performed before they financed a fifth. I mean that only makes sence to wait another 2 months... Right?...

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bjamesobrad wrote:It doesn't say Craig has signed a contract to extend his 4 pic deal to a 5 pic deal. I don't really believe it. If Sony were smart (not EON cause we all know they're retarded) they would wait to see how Skyfall performs before doing something like financing craig's Bond for an extra picture. Thats only about 2 months away. Hell if Sony was really smart they'd wait till craigs 4th film was out to see if it performed before they financed a fifth. I mean that only makes sence to wait another 2 months... Right?...

I know most of you guys here have lost all hope for Bond, but I cling to my hope the day James Bond will return. But I still have 20 Bond films I love. :007:
Bear in mind that Deadline was the first entertainment site to report that Eon was negotiating with Mendes. That was in January 2010. Mendes's publicist confirmed it to a U.K. newspaper. Mendes denied it to The Wall Street Journal. Nothing was "officially" announced until January 2011 when the film got revived after MGM's bankruptcy.

Anyway, given that record, I tend to believe it's true.
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I know this sad news to a lot of the Bond faithful here. I don't know enough of the details.. yet. I said it was a path of least resistance and it is, however there is more to it in this instance. It really has almost nothing to do with Craig himself, man or the actor. This is about MGM and the perceived health of the franchise.

One of the ingredients is Sony is extending their partnership with MGM another film, when a studio/company does a deal like they they need to show a viable reason why it is not a bonehead decision. Sony has coveted the Bond franchise for the longest time because it can be a cash cow under the proper management as it was in the 1990s. No doubt the numbers for the series circa 2008 are mess however the Brand has the appearance of strength, especially this year -50 years of Bond, longest sunning franchise, etc. This is important I'll explain why in a moment.

When Sony and MGM announced they are extending their deal they both know it almost has no impact on who Bond is to their bottom line on this, however when they say "we extended our deal" the natural question is who is going to be Bond in Bond 25 because it is a well know fact the Craig only had one movie left in his contract. To head it off at the pass ( I would have recommended this as well), head into the torpedo before it becomes dangerous. Uncertainly is dangerous, they'd be starting speculation on the next Bond before Bond 23 is released, which could conceivably hurt Bond 23 & 24.

Here is the second part of their deal that needs attention, the new movie scheduled. This is paramount to what Sony/MGM are planing, it has to happen. Or at the very least appear to be viable and real. EON is unreliable to say the least, keen to drag their feet until they are forced to get it in gear. They openly rebuked the studios last issue of a timetable, troubling for the studio. The scheduled should come as no surprise to EON it is what MGM/Sony said the first day the franchise was brought back, it's assumable EON heads were at the table when decisions were being made, yet they openly acted surprised when it was announced by MGM/Sony heads for the second time this year. Some of it is a power play -"you can't make us", some of it is EON has no plan and/or pleads exhaustion.

All of this is important for one reason, MGM intends to seek IPO before Skyfall (and the Hobbit) are released. This is the reason behind everything they've done. They are going to sell the idea of both franchises before the reality of the Box Office can hit home. They can project income selling this instead of real world numbers, they get a pass and get to do this when they are promoting the new movies -with two more of each promised in quick succession.

A lot of factors don't change but because they are doing this before Skyfall they have to make it look like they have plan for Bond, the 50 years of Bond and other factors are going in to promoting not the series but the studio who owns it. This is key, it's not about Bond but about how Bond appears, the talking points of "no Bond film has ever lost money", "longest running franchise", even though the truth is a little more unflattering, in this instance MGM want to use the pomp and circumstance of the 50th anniversary to promote themselves when they legally can't do it otherwise. EON and Bond are tools to this end.

Guarantee of two more films is good for the franchise, there are some caveats like the scheduled which EON has not got on board with far as I can tell. If MGM had plans to do this at any other time everything would be different. It is the ultimate used car sale, after it's off the lot then it can all come crashing down, the shine only has to last as long as MGM can see the taillights. Buyers remorse isn't their problem.

I assume Craig may have signed something although I doubt much of the details are changed from the 4th film, meaning it probably still has exit clauses for both parties.

Craig was smart to use this to make himself some coin, knowing all the while in the back of his mind he may never have to do it. He hates the schedule, he hates being tied to a contract like this, he hated working on QOS feeling like a guy in suit waiting for the word "action". But he also has two fat pay checks to fall back on if it comes to it.

Skyfall has a lot to do with the future, this hasn't changed one bit, if something about it doesn't work, part of the story, actors, Box Office, changes to the Bond formula, it's all up for change, it always has been and always will be. When Brozza made TND it was all up in the air, the series was one movie from being canned if GE was a fluke.

If Craig quits or is unable to accommodate the schedule it won't matter to MGM they'll gladly recast, and it won't matter for the bill of goods they are trying to sell in October of 2012 what 2013 actually brings.
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IPO before October 26th? That's next month. Who is buying in on the stock market? Look at Facebook's debacle. We saw that coming. If DC stays, it's over. If this is just posturing falsely to mislead the public to buy in, it's scandalous. :evil:
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Do you think that's also the reason The Hobbit is going to be 3 films rather than 2?
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Daniel Craig's time as Bond has meant a edgier take on the series. I'm not saying it is a better take and I don't think Bond needed a reboot either. Casino Royale was different in some ways a masterstroke at reinvention, not that Daniel Craig couldn't be replaced in Casino IMO as the sequel came about he made the series more his own and ruined it to a degree. Not all his fault the writers strike producers and director deserve to share the blame. The series sifted tone and I feel Quantum of Solace ruined much of what Casino Royale accomplished and is still eroding it today. To keep up with the edgy tone of the first movie they went too far trying to reinvent edgy in the second as they went they were overdoing at too many junctures. The trailers for Skyfall screams we want to reclaim edgy, it's far easier to over do edgy than get it right, I could point at a dozen recent examples where the moviemakers goal was admirable and the execution flawed. If by some miracle Skyfall is decent balance of edgy and good story telling it would be the best time for Daniel Craig to step away because the edgy tone he requires will be impossible to maintain. Even if he were to get a eight film deal a man has to know his limitations I don't think there is a way to maintain any kind of quality going forward not to the level required to make a Daniel Craig film good. When the right combinations come together Daniel Craig films can be very good when the tiniest element is off they are very very bad. His string of flops since becoming Bond stand as testament to this fact. If Skyfall is as good as Daniel Craig hopes then it is the best time to walk away, it may be the best cast and story he can expect as Bond. He can play Russian Roulette if he likes the odds are when the cylinder fires and he's done for good it will be on the biggest lemon of his career.
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To paraphrase a famous quote, all Bond careers end in failure, either creative (NSNA, AVTAK, DAD) or commercial (OHMSS, LTK). None of the Bond actors has gone out on an unequivocal high note.
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Kristatos wrote:To paraphrase a famous quote, all Bond careers end in failure, either creative (NSNA, AVTAK, DAD) or commercial (OHMSS, LTK). None of the Bond actors has gone out on an unequivocal high note.
Sean Connery went out three times You Only Live Twice Diamonds Are Forever Never Say Never none of those managed to distinguished themselves. He was supposed to do another after Diamonds it never happened.

Giving Daniel Craig a two picture extensions at this juncture is like giving Pierce Brosnan two more before Die Another Day came out. Would Bond as a series benefited from Brosnan making two more not as much as changing it up even though I believe Bond needs to return to the old formula now more than ever.
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Not with Cr-egg in the role.
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