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Actually the whole part of the movie in the remote Scotch house with Craig, Dench and the garden gnome was stupid. If that had been in a Brosnan movie all the loony Craig fans would still be taking the piss out of it.
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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:Actually the whole part of the movie in the remote Scotch house with Craig, Dench and the garden gnome was stupid. If that had been in a Brosnan movie all the loony Craig fans would still be taking the piss out of it.
Surely you jest!

The CGI in DAD was at Pierce's insistence done on his personal laptop. Lee Tamahori was a John Smithy stand in for Pierce who actually directed the movie, a movie he wrote under his pen name is 'Purvis and Wade', upon the unrepresented success of his scripting efforts he made the shrude decision of hiring two destitute hobos to stand in for him at public events.
'My writing work speaks for itself I find I only get real criticism of my work when people are unaware of its source, the success of "Pervis and Wade" is simply dazzling!' -Sir Pierce Brosnan (circa 2008)

After the 2006 decree of the Queen Mab wannabe Babs there will never be another Bond movie made not staring Daniel Craig, Pierce can't wait for Danile Craig to be recast so he can be the next Daniel Craig, he looks younger and is more camera friendly. He already has close to ten years experience on the job and he's been associated with the brand since 1986 so he rightly figures he has a lock on the job unless Sean Connery's youthful good looks land him he gig instead. Although Sir Connery has said he rather be the next Colin Baker, at the 50th Bond Birthday extravaganza while cooling sipping his favourite Chilean Merlot he was quoted as saying 'Nobody wants be be Daniel Craig, nobody, who would want to be that miserable and constantly constipated. Not to mention the birds he gets are second rate. I'd rather be the next Colin Baker, why would anyone in their right mind want to be the next Daniel f**king Craig."

Upon hearing of Sir Sean's drunken tirade Colin Baker wearing his favourite multicolour coat now sadly reduced to taters was quoted as saying 'Sold!', eventhou the offer had no monetary value consisting of some pocket link and one stale breath mint, 'And I wish this Connery fellow all the luck in the world! Lord knows I'm the probably worst Colin Baker in the history of Colin bakers starting with the Globe Theatre and Sir William.' With a wink at the interviewer he boasted he was getting the better of the deal 'I'd bet the value alone of the lint from Connery's pocket is enough to set me up for the rest of my life, and the mint, we'll the unbelievable revenue from it will be, a little something to give the grand children a head start. I mean who wouldn't' want to own the lint from Sir Sean Connery's trouser pocket? Nobody, that's who!'

Sir Sean is reportedly using the Colin Baker Identity* (trademarked soon to be feature movie event of the year) to avoid Spanish Tax authorities. Colin Baker nee Sean Connery has already expressed his desire to be a part of the 50th anniversary Doctor Who calibration and he is expected to have his own 2 hour 6th Doctor movie event.

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The Saint 007 wrote:Ah yes, it's tehmanis, who yet again dissects every little bit of my post with arguments that greatly consist of Brosnan bashing. :roll:
are Brosnan bashing illegal here?
The Saint 007 wrote:Every Bond has had outlandish moments, and Craig is certainly no exception, as you can see by the many examples that have been listed in this thread.
I agree with you, but Craig outlandish moments is not as much as Brosnan
The Saint 007 wrote: Smashing through a wall,
The wall is not a SOLID concrete, brother, please re-watch carefully
The Saint 007 wrote: ripping off a door handle with his bare hands,
with a proper training you can do it too nothing outlandish about that.
The Saint 007 wrote:and flipping a motorcycle with a single swipe of his hand, are just a few examples of how Craig's Bond can be overpowered.
again nothing over the top about it, you can do it too.
The Saint 007 wrote: I don't consider him to be anymore realistic than the others, nor do I consider him to be hardcore.
The word "realistic" is overly used i admit, nothing is realistic, but the fact Craig acting skill is so awesome that can show us audience convincingly in every scene make us believe he believable as an actor, and he is doing some of his stunt himself. He is more believable than Brosnan who can only show his pain face to look he can act.
The Saint 007 wrote: The other Bonds didn't have to be muscle-bound macho men who constantly pout in order to be considered tough and cool.
Connery won third place as Mr Universe, and btw the other Bonds didn't have to be a pretty boy GQ Model lookalike who constantly showing smirk and make some pain face to be considered tough and cool. ANd btw the examples above you try to give me about Craig is overpower is weak since there is nothing over the top about it.
The Saint 007 wrote: And Craig's Bond does mostly take on bad guys that are usually smaller/weaker than himself.
Bond fighting Molaka, Carlos, Dimitrios, Steven Obanos and enemies in Venice scene. Do you consider them smaller and weaker? compare Moore fighting a midget in THe man with the golden gun, or Brosnan kill 2 women (Scorupco and elektra)
The Saint 007 wrote:And considering that the opening of Casino Royale was to show how Bond earned his double-0 statues, I found it rather underwhelming to say the least, although I never did lose sleep about wondering how Bond earned his double-0 statues.
Brosnan introducion in Goldeneye are the most ridiculous Bond introductions in Bond History
The Saint 007 wrote:But as much as I could go on about this, it's not going to really matter. All you will do is try to counter my arguments with the usual Pierce Brosnan bashing, and occasionally some Roger Moore bashing for good measure.
again are Brosnan bashing illegal here?
The Saint 007 wrote:You have your opinion and I have mine, and neither of us is going to change our mind about how we feel regarding this matter, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't want to change yours either
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tehmanis wrote:
are Brosnan bashing illegal here?
No it aren't, but it would be nice if you could occasionally contribute something other than the usual tired talking points (pretty boy, pain face etc) which seem to serve no purpose other than to wind people up.
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You must have something against me, tehmanis. The last few times you've recently shown up, you have dissected my posts with arguments that greatly consist of Brosnan bashing, and even personal insults. I understand you don't like Brosnan, and that's fine. But your thoughts towards Brosnan do often put him down for reasons that are the fault of the producers. And while I personally don't mind Brosnan (or Dalton and Lazenby for that matter), my most favourites are Connery and Moore. Yes, I like Roger Moore as Bond. And I'll say right now don't even bother to waste your time with Moore bashing insults towards me, because I've pretty much heard it all.

Considering the fact that Craig's only been in three Bond films so far, there has been quite a few outlandish moments. This thread has only listed some of these moments from Casion Royale and Quantum Of Solace, we have yet to touch upon Skyfall. As I said before, every Bond has had outlandish moments. But why it bothers me in Craig's Bonds, is because they're always deemed as being more "realistic" than the others. That's hardly true, in my opinion.

You say that with the proper training that ripping off a door handle with your bare hands is possible. In the case if you're training like Arnold Schwarzenegger maybe. It's almost like jaws ripping off the the boat's steering wheel in Moonraker. Although I found that more reasonable, since Jaws is supposed to be super strong, and that scene was meant to be comical. There's another scene where Craig rips a nail out of his back like it was nothing. I've even heard from people who do like Craig as Bond say that he does seem overpowered at times. In regards to Nick Nack, I think he put up a better fight than that guy in the beginning of Casino Royale. As for Brosnan's female villains, some of them could be pretty tough too, particularly Xenia Onatopp. And all the former Bonds were tall average built men with good looks, charm and charisma. Craig lacks the height, looks and charm/charisma, so his muscular physique is emphasized to compensate.

But like I said before, we can keep on arguing about this matter, and neither of us is going to change our minds about how we feel. So once again, let's just leave it at that.
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The Saint 007 wrote: Considering the fact that Craig's only been in three Bond films so far, there has been quite a few outlandish moments. This thread has only listed some of these moments from Casion Royale and Quantum Of Solace, we have yet to touch upon Skyfall. As I said before, every Bond has had outlandish moments. But why it bothers me in Craig's Bonds, is because they're always deemed as being more "realistic" than the others. That's hardly true, in my opinion.
I think outlandish moments can work, if the overall tone of the movie attempts to be grounded in a sense of reality - which all 3 of Craig's films at least try to be. Once you start sticking outlandish scenes in a film where the overall tone is slightly tongue-in-cheek, along with comedy moments such as the usual Moore scenes which I find myself listing endlessly (you know which ones they are), or a script littered with silly one-liners such as `I think I got the thrust of it', then those outlandish scenes become just another part of the Austin Powers parody.

The more realistic scenes in Moore's films are the exception rather than the norm, hence why the centrifuge scene in MR is one of the outstanding moments for me. It becomes very noticeable, the same way an outlandish scene becomes very noticeable in a Craig Bond film, as it is a scene going against the general run-of-play.
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The Saint 007 wrote:You must have something against me, tehmanis. The last few times you've recently shown up, you have dissected my posts with arguments that greatly consist of Brosnan bashing, and even personal insults. I understand you don't like Brosnan, and that's fine. But your thoughts towards Brosnan do often put him down for reasons that are the fault of the producers. And while I personally don't mind Brosnan (or Dalton and Lazenby for that matter), my most favourites are Connery and Moore. Yes, I like Roger Moore as Bond. And I'll say right now don't even bother to waste your time with Moore bashing insults towards me, because I've pretty much heard it all.

Considering the fact that Craig's only been in three Bond films so far, there has been quite a few outlandish moments. This thread has only listed some of these moments from Casion Royale and Quantum Of Solace, we have yet to touch upon Skyfall. As I said before, every Bond has had outlandish moments. But why it bothers me in Craig's Bonds, is because they're always deemed as being more "realistic" than the others. That's hardly true, in my opinion.

You say that with the proper training that ripping off a door handle with your bare hands is possible. In the case if you're training like Arnold Schwarzenegger maybe. It's almost like jaws ripping off the the boat's steering wheel in Moonraker. Although I found that more reasonable, since Jaws is supposed to be super strong, and that scene was meant to be comical. There's another scene where Craig rips a nail out of his back like it was nothing. I've even heard from people who do like Craig as Bond say that he does seem overpowered at times. In regards to Nick Nack, I think he put up a better fight than that guy in the beginning of Casino Royale. As for Brosnan's female villains, some of them could be pretty tough too, particularly Xenia Onatopp. And all the former Bonds were tall average built men with good looks, charm and charisma. Craig lacks the height, looks and charm/charisma, so his muscular physique is emphasized to compensate.

But like I said before, we can keep on arguing about this matter, and neither of us is going to change our minds about how we feel. So once again, let's just leave it at that.

The difference between the Brosnan films and the Craig films is between the unlikely and the impossible. You could compare the fall at the beginning of Skyfall to the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye. In Skyfall, Bond is shot and falls about three hundred feet and lives. Obviously, people get shot and live and people have fallen from greater heights than 300 feet and lived. Taken together it's unlikely Bond would live, but not impossible. On the other hand, the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye is impossible. It is physically impossible for a falling Pierce Brosnan to catch up with that falling airplane, let alone climb inside it, etc. The average person may not understand terminal velocity and aerodynamics, but something tells him this is fantasy and it undercuts rest of the movie. It is not impossible to run through drywall and I suppose it's possible to rip a door handle off if you have proper technique. I've seen martial arts experts break bricks with their bare hands, so ripping off a door handle may indeed be possible.
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The Sweeney wrote: The more realistic scenes in Moore's films are the exception rather than the norm, hence why the centrifuge scene in MR is one of the outstanding moments for me. It becomes very noticeable, the same way an outlandish scene becomes very noticeable in a Craig Bond film, as it is a scene going against the general run-of-play.
But even the campiest Moore films had some sort of internal logic to them. Whereas Craig's Bond seemingly turns from an emotional and physical wreck to Bruce Lee (or Derek Flint?) at the flick of a switch, and then back again, according to the needs of the plot.
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Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: The more realistic scenes in Moore's films are the exception rather than the norm, hence why the centrifuge scene in MR is one of the outstanding moments for me. It becomes very noticeable, the same way an outlandish scene becomes very noticeable in a Craig Bond film, as it is a scene going against the general run-of-play.
But even the campiest Moore films had some sort of internal logic to them. Whereas Craig's Bond seemingly turns from an emotional and physical wreck to Bruce Lee (or Derek Flint?) at the flick of a switch, and then back again, according to the needs of the plot.
I am probably more obsessed about realism in a Bond film than anyone else here in this forum, and cannot stand any silliness in my Bond films, yet I honestly do not have a problem with some of these outlandish moments in Craig's films. The only scene I really have an issue with is the freefall scene in QoS, and only then it is because of the way Bond seems right as rain again in the next scene.

Had there been a scene with Craig struggling to get up off the floor, racked in pain, then I would have been ok with this particular scene too. And I think this is what makes the difference for me. Craig's films in general do try to put some realism around these outlandish moments. The fall in SF would have killed the average person. In a Bond film I bought into the idea because of seeing the psychological damage that stays with Craig afterwards. He doesn't turn back into Bruce Lee overnight. We can see the strains when he hangs under the lift in Shanghai. The thug he fights with in the dragon pit almost gets the better of him too.

And there is the difference for me. Put Bond in any crazy, unbelievable situation, but as long as their are consequences afterwards for the character, whether its physical or psychological, I can buy into it. Unfortunately this was never apparent in the majority of other Bond films. I very rarely saw any of the other Bond's suffer like Craig does in his movies, and this is where I start to favour his performance as Bond over and above the other actors.

Dalton does, which is why I really like his movies. It was very rare to see a drop of blood on either Brosnan or Moore. Brozza did suffer in DAD, but the hospital scene is completely ruined by that ridiculous spectacle of faking heartbeats then springing to life to beat everyone up. In CR, Craig looks bed-ridden for a while, and the most he can do after a lengthy period recovering is to get it on with Vesper in his hospital bed.

It's these subtle changes to the realism I am talking about which make a huge difference for me.
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The Sweeney wrote:He doesn't turn back into Bruce Lee overnight.
No, he turns back into Bruce Lee about 5 seconds after Severine is Killed. Whereas before, he was an impotent wreck who was powerless to stop the killing.
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Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:He doesn't turn back into Bruce Lee overnight.
No, he turns back into Bruce Lee about 5 seconds after Severine is Killed. Whereas before, he was an impotent wreck who was powerless to stop the killing.
When the gun is thrust in his hand and he is forced to shoot the glass, I thought that was very Flemingesque (like the pineapple scene in TMWTGG novel).

He fights with a few bad guys, then still has to rely on back-up to save himself. The biggest issue I had with this scene was the OTT Bond theme which kicks in as the helicopters fly in. It started to border on corny then for me.
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There's always been a certain amount of fantasy in Bond films. But the older films for the most part didn't take themselves too seriously, which is why I can side with the outlandish moments in those better than I can with Craig's Bonds.

I also don't like the double standards where Craig can get away with doing outlandish things that the other Bonds would most likely get criticized for. Craig's Bond can get shot on a moving train and fall hundreds of feet into the water and survive. If any of the other Bonds would have done that, especially Moore or Brosnan, I can bet that it would be instantly bashed as being ridiculously outlandish. The over-the-top CGI freefall scene in Quantum Of Solace is swept under the carpet most of the time. Yet Moonraker has opening Skydiving duel sequence which is done for real, but won't count for being more superior/realistic since it's a silly Roger Moore Bond. Bond leaping on CGI komodo dragons in Skyfall is cool/realistic, but Bond leaping on crocodiles (which are real) in Live And Let Die will likely be considered lame/outlandish because it's...*drum roll*... A ROGER MOORE BOND!

I don't care about Craig's Bonds having a certain amount outlandish/fantasy moments in them. But I don't like it how the other Bonds (Moore and Brosnan in particular) always get bashed for similar outlandish things that Craig can seemingly get away with.
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The Saint 007 wrote:There's always been a certain amount of fantasy in Bond films. But the older films for the most part didn't take themselves too seriously, which is why I can side with the outlandish moments in those better than I can with Craig's Bonds.

I also don't like the double standards where Craig can get away with doing outlandish things that the other Bonds would most likely get criticized for. Craig's Bond can get shot on a moving train and fall hundreds of feet into the water and survive. If any of the other Bonds would have done that, especially Moore or Brosnan, I can bet that it would be instantly bashed as being ridiculously outlandish. The over-the-top CGI freefall scene in Quantum Of Solace is swept under the carpet most of the time. Yet Moonraker has opening Skydiving duel sequence which is done for real, but won't count for being more superior/realistic since it's a silly Roger Moore Bond. Bond leaping on CGI komodo dragons in Skyfall is cool/realistic, but Bond leaping on crocodiles (which are real) in Live And Let Die will likely be considered lame/outlandish because it's...*drum roll*... A ROGER MOORE BOND!

I don't care about Craig's Bonds having a certain amount outlandish/fantasy moments in them. But I don't like it how the other Bonds (Moore and Brosnan in particular) always get bashed for similar outlandish things that Craig can seemingly get away with.
I really like the PTS in MR, and the crocodile scene in LALD. These are not the kind of outlandish moments I have issues with in Moore's films. I also love the PTS in TSWLM too.

It's the car stunt scene in TMWTGG ruined by that silly sound effect, the invisible car, the double-taking pigeon, the Tarzan yells. I have far more issues with these moments. The brave stunts that are performed for real are part of what makes Bond films great, IMO.
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The Sweeney wrote:I really like the PTS in MR, and the crocodile scene in LALD. These are not the kind of outlandish moments I have issues with in Moore's films. I also love the PTS in TSWLM too.

It's the car stunt scene in TMWTGG ruined by that silly sound effect, the invisible car, the double-taking pigeon, the Tarzan yells. I have far more issues with these moments. The brave stunts that are performed for real are part of what makes Bond films great, IMO.
Well, the slide whistle during the car stunt in The Man With The Golden Gun was John Barry's idea, which he later regretted apparently. It only lasts a couple of seconds though, and I was never really bothered by it. Since I sort of have a campy sense of humour myself, I guess I don't mind the silly shenanigans in the Moore Bonds as much as some others like yourself do. But I respect your opinion on the matter.

And I wholehearted agree with you on the real-life stunts. They really added so much entertainment value and made the films so memorable. But I personally can't stand CGI in Bond. When I first saw Die Another Day, I remember being pretty upset at the amount of CGI used. And I dislike it in Craig's Bonds too. Real-life stunts was such an important part of the Bond tradition, and the use of CGI effects has ruined it.
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The difference between the Brosnan films and the Craig films is between the unlikely and the impossible. You could compare the fall at the beginning of Skyfall to the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye. In Skyfall, Bond is shot and falls about three hundred feet and lives. Obviously, people get shot and live and people have fallen from greater heights than 300 feet and lived. Taken together it's unlikely Bond would live, but not impossible. On the other hand, the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye is impossible. It is physically impossible for a falling Pierce Brosnan to catch up with that falling airplane, let alone climb inside it, etc. The average person may not understand terminal velocity and aerodynamics, but something tells him this is fantasy and it undercuts rest of the movie. It is not impossible to run through drywall and I suppose it's possible to rip a door handle off if you have proper technique. I've seen martial arts experts break bricks with their bare hands, so ripping off a door handle may indeed be possible.
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So Craig falling out the aeroplane in QOS was possible? Hong Kong Craigey ripping of a door handle may be remotely possible if he had the martial arts skills and the handle was a cheap one but it was a daft and embarrassing moment. :wink:
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tehmanis has a second post I'm not approving (the other moderators can decide differently if they chose), basically it was the same as before going in to a long argument by nitpicking a post.

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Gala Brand wrote:
The difference between the Brosnan films and the Craig films is between the unlikely and the impossible. You could compare the fall at the beginning of Skyfall to the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye. In Skyfall, Bond is shot and falls about three hundred feet and lives. Obviously, people get shot and live and people have fallen from greater heights than 300 feet and lived. Taken together it's unlikely Bond would live, but not impossible. On the other hand, the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye is impossible. It is physically impossible for a falling Pierce Brosnan to catch up with that falling airplane, let alone climb inside it, etc. The average person may not understand terminal velocity and aerodynamics, but something tells him this is fantasy and it undercuts rest of the movie. It is not impossible to run through drywall and I suppose it's possible to rip a door handle off if you have proper technique. I've seen martial arts experts break bricks with their bare hands, so ripping off a door handle may indeed be possible.
The GE Catching the Airplane stunt is possible, flying off to shag another day ( :wink: ) might be questionable but the physics of this part of the stunt are at least possible. Believable is a question left to each of us to decide for ourselves.
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Gala Brand wrote:
The difference between the Brosnan films and the Craig films is between the unlikely and the impossible. You could compare the fall at the beginning of Skyfall to the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye. In Skyfall, Bond is shot and falls about three hundred feet and lives. Obviously, people get shot and live and people have fallen from greater heights than 300 feet and lived. Taken together it's unlikely Bond would live, but not impossible. On the other hand, the fall at the beginning of Goldeneye is impossible. It is physically impossible for a falling Pierce Brosnan to catch up with that falling airplane, let alone climb inside it, etc. The average person may not understand terminal velocity and aerodynamics, but something tells him this is fantasy and it undercuts rest of the movie. It is not impossible to run through drywall and I suppose it's possible to rip a door handle off if you have proper technique. I've seen martial arts experts break bricks with their bare hands, so ripping off a door handle may indeed be possible.
The GE Catching the Airplane stunt is possible, flying off to shag another day ( :wink: ) might be questionable but the physics of this part of the stunt are at least possible. Believable is a question left to each of us to decide for ourselves.
Nope, I worked this one out with my father, who was an aeronautical engineer. We concluded that the plane in the nose-down attitude (which it is in the film) would've fallen at approximately 90 meters per second and Pierce Brosnan would've fallen at approximately 70 meters per second. He never catches up. In fact, he falls further behind. Also, since he was moving faster than the plane when he was on the bike (he was closing the gap), he would've gone off the cliff at a higher velocity and gone out further rather than dropping at the same angle as the plane.
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Re: Worst/Daftest Moments of the Craig Era

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Gala Brand wrote:
Nope, I worked this one out with my father, who was an aeronautical engineer. We concluded that the plane in the nose-down attitude (which it is in the film) would've fallen at approximately 90 meters per second and Pierce Brosnan would've fallen at approximately 70 meters per second. He never catches up. In fact, he falls further behind. Also, since he was moving faster than the plane when he was on the bike (he was closing the gap), he would've gone off the cliff at a higher velocity and gone out further rather than dropping at the same angle as the plane.
Catching the plane is possible depending on several factors, although the plane probably shouldn't be in a nose dive anyway. For the movie stunt I believe they said it had a small parachute on the tail. Someplace examined the stunt years back and came away with the conclusion it was possible to catch the plane (with no room for mistakes and everything going perfectly) but it was not likely to succeed.

This was done a few years ago.
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It's a movie so it's all cut together, doesn't matter if it can actually be done or not, after all there are not real space ships like the Enterprise or Falcon. It comes down to believability. You didn't find it to be so, where as I have don't have a problem playing catchup with the plane as much as the pulling out of the dive. It's not like Ian Fleming's books were accurate depictions of the spy game and the movies are certainly not documentaries. It's all meant to be fun. Some don't like the drywall stunt or what not, while drywall certainly isn't a wall of steel, but when was the last time a contractor hung a sheet with nothing behind it to hold it up? ;) Besides for the stunt Craig ran though a paper thin mockup. Should he have actually run through a real wall with 2x4 structure behind it? Sure why not ;) :cheers:
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