Face it chaps. You will feel better.

[Kristatos]

Forget it stocks. This kind of behaviour towards a new member who has a differing opinion shows that this forum has the same level of tolerance that MI6 supposedly has - something which members here are constantly criticizing, yet double-standards are starting to rear their ugly head now on here.

There's no double standard. MI6 is supposed to be a general Bond fansite catering to everyone from those who loved Casino Royale to those whose favourite Bond film was Moonraker. We, on the other hand, are a site with a specific agenda, and would be perfectly within our rights to ban any pro-Craig posts. We don't do that, but when a new member comes on the forum and starts attacking us (and all the pre-Craig Bond films) using the same hectoring tone as someone who has recently given up smoking and who is determined to lecture everyone within earshot about the evils of tobacco, that is normally considered trolling behaviour, and is unlikely to endear him to many people here.

[jimmyjazz]

Forget it stocks. This kind of behaviour towards a new member who has a differing opinion shows that this forum has the same level of tolerance that MI6 supposedly has - something which members here are constantly criticizing, yet double-standards are starting to rear their ugly head now on here.

There's no double standard. MI6 is supposed to be a general Bond fansite catering to everyone from those who loved Casino Royale to those whose favourite Bond film was Moonraker. We, on the other hand, are a site with a specific agenda, and would be perfectly within our rights to ban any pro-Craig posts. We don't do that, but when a new member comes on the forum and starts attacking us (and all the pre-Craig Bond films) using the same hectoring tone as someone who has recently given up smoking and who is determined to lecture everyone within earshot about the evils of tobacco, that is normally considered trolling behaviour, and is unlikely to endear him to many people here.

Oh sorry my mistake. I just read the first line on the Google listing taken from your home page...
The Daniel Craig is not Bond forum provides a haven where people are free to debate the current direction of the Bond franchise in a democratic fashion. and I thought I would join in. Debate and 'attack' are happy bed fellows where I come from.

[jimmyjazz]

Besides any 'attacks' I made were in self defence surely, and for those I apologise. Read my initial posting...no nastiness at all.

[katied]

There's no double standard. MI6 is supposed to be a general Bond fansite catering to everyone from those who loved Casino Royale to those whose favourite Bond film was Moonraker.

Exactly. It's *supposed* to be a website catering to everyone.And it so obviously *isn't*.

We, on the other hand, are a site with a specific agenda, and would be perfectly within our rights to ban any pro-Craig posts. We don't do that, but when a new member comes on the forum and starts attacking us (and all the pre-Craig Bond films) using the same hectoring tone as someone who has recently given up smoking and who is determined to lecture everyone within earshot about the evils of tobacco, that is normally considered trolling behaviour, and is unlikely to endear him to many people here.

Again, exactly. You can have an opinion about the Bond films, but, not sugarcoating this,the original post was trolling.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Ok Jimmy, read this post.

Well I’ve seen it many times since and before you say anything no, not after more booze. Instead as sober as a judge and I have realised what a narrow alleyway fear and prejudice can lead you down. I have all the previous bond films on DVD and when I have tried to watch them in recent months they are, without exception laughable compared to Casino Royale

.

I prefer Bond movies such as Goldfinger, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice. I do not find them "laughable" compared to Casino Royale.

You must all understand how difficult it was for me to say that as a 34 year obsession is hard to challenge but I mean it. Connery was mannered. Lazenby…a bad sneeze. Moore…always an idiot and I think he knew it. Dalton started well then joined the club and Brosnan an absolute waste of time in every one!

Again, I prefer the early movies to Craig. Unlike you (Dalton started well and joined the club), I loved Licence To Kill to in which Dalton's serious Bond opened up a can of whupass on Craig's serious Bond.

I think the members of this forum need to face up to it. Your old god is dead and thank you Mr Craig for that. I can’t believe anyone could sit through an old Bond film without realising how bad they actually are. Casino Royale had a depth never before seen in a Bond film it’s as simple as that.

I think you ought to face up to it that someone has a different opinion to you, which is that all the Bond movies apart from Craig's are not s**t.

I admit that QoS went back a step and could have ended up a disaster but it still put the pre Craig Bond films to shame

.

So Quantum of Solace is better than Goldfinger and From Russia with Love? Bizarre. Even The Sweeney thinks that statement is silly.

BTW, you don't know alvin from the Alternative007 site do you Jim?

[jimmyjazz]

'In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.' from that old faithfull wikipedia! (something I insist my students try not to use...)

Controversial...Inflammatory ? ...didn't have to be. I tried to back my points up with analysis.
Irrelevant....certainly not.
off-topic....within the Daniel Craig as James Bond section I believe.
primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response. Well I admit that did happen later after several outbursts were aimed in my direction and my honesty was questioned. But to begin with I offered explanations to my points and if I wanted purely to provoke the emotional response of other users it would have been so easy without the need to analyse my genuinely held beliefs.
disrupt normal on-topic discussion...I thought this was the topic.

Trolling is a convenient tag to label intelligent opinion that differs from yours.

[bjmdds]

There is definitely something amiss. Remember, where there is a will....there is a relative.

[jimmyjazz]

Ok Jimmy, read this post.

Well I’ve seen it many times since and before you say anything no, not after more booze. Instead as sober as a judge and I have realised what a narrow alleyway fear and prejudice can lead you down. I have all the previous bond films on DVD and when I have tried to watch them in recent months they are, without exception laughable compared to Casino Royale

.

I prefer Bond movies such as Goldfinger, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice. I do not find them "laughable" compared to Casino Royale.

You must all understand how difficult it was for me to say that as a 34 year obsession is hard to challenge but I mean it. Connery was mannered. Lazenby…a bad sneeze. Moore…always an idiot and I think he knew it. Dalton started well then joined the club and Brosnan an absolute waste of time in every one!

Again, I prefer the early movies to Craig. Unlike you (Dalton started well and joined the club), I loved Licence To Kill to in which Dalton's serious Bond opened up a can of whupass on Craig's serious Bond.


From Russia with Love? ...if it wasn't for Robert Shaw and the train scene at the end it would be in the bin by now. Goldfinger over Quantum of Solice?.....you're probably right on that one.

I think the members of this forum need to face up to it. Your old god is dead and thank you Mr Craig for that. I can’t believe anyone could sit through an old Bond film without realising how bad they actually are. Casino Royale had a depth never before seen in a Bond film it’s as simple as that.

I think you ought to face up to it that someone has a different opinion to you, which is that all the Bond movies apart from Craig's are not s**t.

I admit that QoS went back a step and could have ended up a disaster but it still put the pre Craig Bond films to shame

.

So Quantum of Solace is better than Goldfinger and From Russia with Love? Bizarre. Even The Sweeney thinks that statement is silly.

BTW, you don't know alvin from the Alternative007 site do you Jim?

[bjmdds]

Forget it stocks. This kind of behaviour towards a new member who has a differing opinion shows that this forum has the same level of tolerance that MI6 supposedly has - something which members here are constantly criticizing, yet double-standards are starting to rear their ugly head now on here.

There's no double standard. MI6 is supposed to be a general Bond fansite catering to everyone from those who loved Casino Royale to those whose favourite Bond film was Moonraker. We, on the other hand, are a site with a specific agenda, and would be perfectly within our rights to ban any pro-Craig posts. We don't do that, but when a new member comes on the forum and starts attacking us (and all the pre-Craig Bond films) using the same hectoring tone as someone who has recently given up smoking and who is determined to lecture everyone within earshot about the evils of tobacco, that is normally considered trolling behaviour, and is unlikely to endear him to many people here.

Could not have said it any better Kris. The Pro-Craig brigade refuses to realize this.

[bjmdds]

Ok Jimmy, read this post.

Well I’ve seen it many times since and before you say anything no, not after more booze. Instead as sober as a judge and I have realised what a narrow alleyway fear and prejudice can lead you down. I have all the previous bond films on DVD and when I have tried to watch them in recent months they are, without exception laughable compared to Casino Royale

.

I prefer Bond movies such as Goldfinger, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice. I do not find them "laughable" compared to Casino Royale.

You must all understand how difficult it was for me to say that as a 34 year obsession is hard to challenge but I mean it. Connery was mannered. Lazenby…a bad sneeze. Moore…always an idiot and I think he knew it. Dalton started well then joined the club and Brosnan an absolute waste of time in every one!

Again, I prefer the early movies to Craig. Unlike you (Dalton started well and joined the club), I loved Licence To Kill to in which Dalton's serious Bond opened up a can of whupass on Craig's serious Bond.

I think the members of this forum need to face up to it. Your old god is dead and thank you Mr Craig for that. I can’t believe anyone could sit through an old Bond film without realising how bad they actually are. Casino Royale had a depth never before seen in a Bond film it’s as simple as that.

I think you ought to face up to it that someone has a different opinion to you, which is that all the Bond movies apart from Craig's are not s**t.

I admit that QoS went back a step and could have ended up a disaster but it still put the pre Craig Bond films to shame

.

So Quantum of Solace is better than Goldfinger and From Russia with Love? Bizarre. Even The Sweeney thinks that statement is silly.

BTW, you don't know alvin from the Alternative007 site do you Jim?

I thought the same think about Alvin, Captain. This coincides with his thought processes. Alvin usually speaks of his teachers too in school.

[jimmyjazz]

Ok Jimmy, read this post.

Well I’ve seen it many times since and before you say anything no, not after more booze. Instead as sober as a judge and I have realised what a narrow alleyway fear and prejudice can lead you down. I have all the previous bond films on DVD and when I have tried to watch them in recent months they are, without exception laughable compared to Casino Royale

.

I prefer Bond movies such as Goldfinger, From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice. I do not find them "laughable" compared to Casino Royale.

You must all understand how difficult it was for me to say that as a 34 year obsession is hard to challenge but I mean it. Connery was mannered. Lazenby…a bad sneeze. Moore…always an idiot and I think he knew it. Dalton started well then joined the club and Brosnan an absolute waste of time in every one!

Again, I prefer the early movies to Craig. Unlike you (Dalton started well and joined the club), I loved Licence To Kill to in which Dalton's serious Bond opened up a can of whupass on Craig's serious Bond.


From Russia with Love?.....No. Goldfinger? Your probaly ight on that one.


From Russia with Love? ...if it wasn't for Robert Shaw and the train scene at the end it would be in the bin by now. Goldfinger over Quantum of Solice?.....you're probably right on that one.

I think the members of this forum need to face up to it. Your old god is dead and thank you Mr Craig for that. I can’t believe anyone could sit through an old Bond film without realising how bad they actually are. Casino Royale had a depth never before seen in a Bond film it’s as simple as that.

I think you ought to face up to it that someone has a different opinion to you, which is that all the Bond movies apart from Craig's are not s**t.

I admit that QoS went back a step and could have ended up a disaster but it still put the pre Craig Bond films to shame

.

So Quantum of Solace is better than Goldfinger and From Russia with Love? Bizarre. Even The Sweeney thinks that statement is silly.

BTW, you don't know alvin from the Alternative007 site do you Jim?

[jimmyjazz]

Don't say I've been banned!!!!!!!!!

[jimmyjazz]

This is the first time I have ever contributed to an online forum. I am serious about what I say and can offer intelligent insight to back it up. I enjoy a good debate and I thought my points about the Bond look being an archetype that has filtered in to real life were quite good actually.

[bjmdds]

They do that at MI6. We just like to know who we are TRULY dealing with.

[katied]

Which Bond films you like is a matter of personal opinion. But to dismiss most of them because they're not Craig films? That doesn't exactly have to be spelled out, does it?

[jimmyjazz]

Which Bond films you like is a matter of personal opinion. But to dismiss most of them because they're not Craig films? That doesn't exactly have to be spelled out, does it?

To rely on personal opinion to settle differences results in silence as far debate is concerned. I dismiss the pre Craig films because of their common formula. A formula that was broken with CR. All that running arround at the end in a ridicules gun battle. Big explosion then Bond goes AWOL with the girl. Q going through his gadgets, Bond flirting with Moneypenny....all that crap would just be pityful if showed again.

QoS was in real danger of slipping back. I hope they leave it a good few years then reboot, totaly, again. Each film should be devoid of formula.

I would put CR as one of the best films ever made in recent years...whether it be a Bond film or not to be honest.

[katied]

To rely on personal opinion to settle differences results in silence as far debate is concerned. I dismiss the pre Craig films because of their common formula

Umm what?

[jimmyjazz]

Oh and back to the trolling accusation. Trolls carry out their mischief purely to cheese people off and therefore target forums that concern subjects that they don't really care about. And then move on once the damage has been done I believe.

Surely a troll wouldn't go to the length of getting his OAP mother out and about to back him up???

By the way it was 1975 I believe, the back to back screenings.

[katied]

Dismissing all the films (apart from the last 2) because they're not Craig films is less an opinion and more like trolling, IMO.

[bjmdds]

Oh and back to the trolling accusation. Trolls carry out their mischief purely to cheese people off and therefore target forums that concern subjects that they don't really care about. And then move on once the damage has been done I believe.

Surely a troll wouldn't go to the length of getting his OAP mother out and about to back him up???

By the way it was 1975 I believe, the back to back screenings.

Is Connery more Bond-like than Craig in your opinion?