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In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:57 pm

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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby The Saint 007 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:43 am

In this highly praised grim and gritty Craig era where most people would readily drag the Moore era through coals, it's so nice to occasionally see an article of appreciation and defence. Moore has always been the punching bag of the series. Critics, who most of the time were Connery fans, tended to be biased and nitpicked a lot. And while I understand his style may not be to everyones taste, there's so many forum dwellers who don't give Moore an honest chance, and think making tiresome jokes about him is the cool thing to do. He's the "wussy Bond" in their eyes, and so often give the impression that Moore's Bond simply just told jokes and made the villains laugh themselves to death. For me, Moore's Bond is a gentleman, and while he's known for his witty quips, he also had tougher moments which tend to get overlooked.

In order to avoid conflict, I used to say that Connery was my most favourite Bond. I do love Connery as Bond, but Moore has always been my most favourite, and I no longer care what other fans think about it. While this article primarily focuses on The Spy Who Loved Me, I find something enjoyable in all seven of Moore's Bond outings, and, in my opinion, they have the most entertainment value.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Daltonite Toothpaste » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:27 pm

In my experience, Moore doesn't come in for that much of a bashing. Far Moore often than not, he is looked on as one of the two Bond titans (the other being Connery). If any Bond gets mauled, it's Dalton. Not so much these days, but that old chestnut of "he killed / almost killed the Bond films" still gets thrown about.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:27 pm

I actually read how Moore stopped surfing the web when he read that he was voted the worst Bond. Where was that? Mi6 forum? I wouldn't be suprised. Moore gets poked a lot by Craig fans(but then again is there something they don't bash?) but in Croatia on general forum Moore is fairly popular. He came third in a poll when asked "who is the best Bond". There was one particular comment that made me laugh:"A charm that Roger Moore has when he is 150 eats Daniel Craig whenever and wherever..." :lol:
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:39 pm

Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:In my experience, Moore doesn't come in for that much of a bashing. Far Moore often than not, he is looked on as one of the two Bond titans (the other being Connery). If any Bond gets mauled, it's Dalton. Not so much these days, but that old chestnut of "he killed / almost killed the Bond films" still gets thrown about.


I think Moore gets far more bashing from Craig fans than Dalton-but then again Moore is generally more popular than Dalton so I guess there are two ways to look at it.
Why Dalton doesn't get the short stick with Craig fans is because it seems that there is an opinion these two are somehow similar...I am sure that's something you will disagree with.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Kristatos » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:46 pm

Moore-bashing seems to be passé now. I'm even seeing positive comments about Moonraker on internet forums, which would have been unthinkable a decade or so ago. Which is fine, except that everybody now likes Roger and Moonraker. It's another example of the herd mentality at work. Most of them won't even acknowledge that they ever held any other opinion. It's all a bit Orwellian.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:00 pm

Kristatos wrote:Moore-bashing seems to be passé now. I'm even seeing positive comments about Moonraker on internet forums, which would have been unthinkable a decade or so ago. Which is fine, except that everybody now likes Roger and Moonraker. It's another example of the herd mentality at work. Most of them won't even acknowledge that they ever held any other opinion. It's all a bit Orwellian.


Now I remembered-in "The Top Tens" list Moonraker was voted as the most underrated Bond movie. Maybe the Moore bashing is only full on on mi6 forum :?: actually ajb007 forum seems like a decent one...
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Daltonite Toothpaste » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:40 pm

Veronica wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:In my experience, Moore doesn't come in for that much of a bashing. Far Moore often than not, he is looked on as one of the two Bond titans (the other being Connery). If any Bond gets mauled, it's Dalton. Not so much these days, but that old chestnut of "he killed / almost killed the Bond films" still gets thrown about.


I think Moore gets far more bashing from Craig fans than Dalton-but then again Moore is generally more popular than Dalton so I guess there are two ways to look at it.
Why Dalton doesn't get the short stick with Craig fans is because it seems that there is an opinion these two are somehow similar...I am sure that's something you will disagree with.


I do indeed. The only similarity is that they both attempted to do the 'darker Bond'. Dalton brought a little charm, and a whole lot of ruthlessness and cunning. Craig brought..... well, nothing much that we have not seen in the past. And if we have already seen it, then it is badly mishandled.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:25 pm

Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:
Veronica wrote:
Daltonite Toothpaste wrote:In my experience, Moore doesn't come in for that much of a bashing. Far Moore often than not, he is looked on as one of the two Bond titans (the other being Connery). If any Bond gets mauled, it's Dalton. Not so much these days, but that old chestnut of "he killed / almost killed the Bond films" still gets thrown about.


I think Moore gets far more bashing from Craig fans than Dalton-but then again Moore is generally more popular than Dalton so I guess there are two ways to look at it.
Why Dalton doesn't get the short stick with Craig fans is because it seems that there is an opinion these two are somehow similar...I am sure that's something you will disagree with.


I do indeed. The only similarity is that they both attempted to do the 'darker Bond'. Dalton brought a little charm, and a whole lot of ruthlessness and cunning. Craig brought..... well, nothing much that we have not seen in the past. And if we have already seen it, then it is badly mishandled.



Dalton smiled but also was serious. Craig's Bond is just depressed all the time for no appearent reason. And has one facial expression(read:grimase) the whole time...
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby carl stromberg » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:58 am

Roger is Bond. :wink:

Before Craig I used to find it strange that Bond fans seemed to hate many of the Bond films. Now I hate three of the films - soon to be four. Although I have an excuse as they have completely changed the series and the film Bond.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:13 pm

My impression is that Craig fans are the ones who dislike many of the Bond films. I read things like :"Moonraker is the biggest piece of crap ever." How can you be a Bond fan if you say something like that? Even if its not the best it definitely isn't "the biggest piece of crap ever".
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Kristatos » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:36 pm

Yeah, this never really started before CR came out. People disliked individual Bond films, but there wasn't the pissing contest over who enjoyed all the previous films least.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:51 pm

I've never actually seen Craig fans particulary praising any other particular Bond film other than the "magnificent" Casino Royale. Or Skyfall. But Casino Royale more.
Funny enough,they absolutely never talk of QOS. Maybe even they don't know how to say something good about it.
I've seen pretty much every movie being bashed except of course the greatest ones like FRWL,GF...
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Kristatos » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:25 pm

Oh, I've seen Craigskis say "You probably think QOS is a mess of a film without a proper script, you idiot, but clever people like me who talk loudly in restaurants see it as a misunderstood masterpiece".
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Veronica » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:50 pm

Misunderstood masterpiece? Really? I mean-really?
:lol: that is just :lol: I once read how QOS feels like its made of deleted scenes from CR. I think that's a rather good deacription. Because when something is a masterpiece I usually remeber that film well. It would be an understatement to say that I don't remember any scene from QOS.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby dirtybenny » Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:24 am

Kristatos wrote: ...clever people like me who talk loudly in restaurants...


:lol: Hilarious


Veronica wrote: It would be an understatement to say that I don't remember any scene from QOS.


Sure you do V, in fact you can recreate one anytime you like, just run around full speed and shake your head wildly, and what you see will be just like every scene in QOS!
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Omega » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:57 am

I saw someone tried to rewrite QOS to make sense on one of the forums. Never bothered to look at it . Trying to fix qos is a lost cause , the closest would be the November man which did better with the same story give or take


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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Kristatos » Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:29 am

dirtybenny wrote:
Kristatos wrote: ...clever people like me who talk loudly in restaurants...


Hilarious



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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:15 am

The only thing I remember from QOS is the comically named "Quantum" Organisation which was chosen to fit in with the use of an unsuitable Fleming story name.
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Re: In defense of Roger Moore

Postby surgcmdr » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:04 pm

All went downhill after Brosnan Ion production catering to non thinking uneducated who do the whip and nae nae in stead of British upper crust killer patriot

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