Craig's Bond doesn't have a heart, says George Lazenby

[shaken not stirred]

Any minion who thinks this acting is better than Pierce's acting in Evelyn needs to get his/her back broken by Bane.

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I remember this, this is from one of seagals worst films, someone dubs over his voice in this scene and seagal apparently left sometime during the production and they had to put a lot of stuff together because he went touring with his band.

[FormerBondFan]

tehmanis, what say you about this? Do you consider this better than Pierce's acting in Evelyn?

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[tehmanis]

tehmanis, what say you about this? Do you consider this better than Pierce's acting in Evelyn?

why do you want to compare an actor with limited acting abilities like Brosnan to Seagal ??
what do you want to proof by comparing brosnan limited acting abilities with an actor with no acting abilities??
at least Seagal were more believable in fighting scene than Brosnan want to be,btw Seagal can kick Brosnan ass with no sweat

[FormerBondFan]

Then I take it that you rather prefer to watch Seagal's Attack Force (which has bad dubbing and is considered hated even by Seagal fans) than Evelyn (which got excellent reviews from audiences and critics for powerful performance, particularly from Pierce).

[commander0077again]

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“I don’t think that [James Bond] is necessarily a good guy or a bad guy. Who is? He’s got his vices and very few perceptible virtues except patriotism and courage, which are probably not virtues anyway. He’s certainly got little in the way of politics, but I should think what politics he has are just a little bit left of centre. And he’s got little culture. He’s a man of action, and he reads books on golf, and so on—when he reads anything. I quite agree that he’s not a person of much social attractiveness. But then, I didn’t intend for him to be a particularly likable person. He’s a cipher, a blunt instrument in the hands of government.

Towards the end of the book series, Bond exhibits a self-deprecating sense of humor. In fact, even in the early books we see both his humor and his humanity. Note LALD when the pelican is shot for no reason by the warehouseman, and Bond says, "Why did you do that for?" and his 'fun with Felix' scenes in New York, driving down to Florida. OHMSS and YOLT have a very funny Bond, and Fleming overworks the exclamation points as Bond laughs inside, "Neat, that! Perhaps too neat!" in his resignation letter to M (he's composing this in his head while driving at high speed, it's sort of the pre-cell phone distraction. I could see a cop pulling him over, "Sir, do you know you were driving 100 in a 60 zone?") Bond laughs at his Sir Hillary character, at first trying to be what he thinks a baronet should be, and then realizing the real Hillary Bray was probably romping around the highlands after sheep. I recall a recollection when Fleming was writing one of the Bonds, "I had hoped it wouldn't be like this..." Solitaire says to Bond as they're tied together naked, and Noel Coward or someone looked over his shoulder and said, "Are you really going to include that?" And Fleming began to laugh until he lost his lunch (so to speak), giggling as he continued. I think he was being tongue-in-cheek when he described Bond as being a cipher. That may have been his first intention, but the Bond revealed in the books is not just a blunt, Craig-like instrument. Note in TSWLM, Bond comes across as a real gentleman, saving the damsel. Although she's beautiful, I think Bond would have even risked his life if she had been plain. I could go on and etc. but you just have to read in particular OHMSS and YOLT, and Bond, Tanaka and Miss Bunt will have you 'splitting your sides' (one of Bond's expressions). And, like the films, I don't read them as hard-boiled thrillers, but larger than life, with beautiful girls, thrilling locations, super villains. In the films, we get the girls and some of the locations (although am glad the other Bonds never fought in a seedy bathroom -- Bond is meant to fight in a glittering Osato pentoffice) but small villains and a small hero.

[The Sweeney]

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“I don’t think that [James Bond] is necessarily a good guy or a bad guy. Who is? He’s got his vices and very few perceptible virtues except patriotism and courage, which are probably not virtues anyway. He’s certainly got little in the way of politics, but I should think what politics he has are just a little bit left of centre. And he’s got little culture. He’s a man of action, and he reads books on golf, and so on—when he reads anything. I quite agree that he’s not a person of much social attractiveness. But then, I didn’t intend for him to be a particularly likable person. He’s a cipher, a blunt instrument in the hands of government.

Towards the end of the book series, Bond exhibits a self-deprecating sense of humor. In fact, even in the early books we see both his humor and his humanity. Note LALD when the pelican is shot for no reason by the warehouseman, and Bond says, "Why did you do that for?" and his 'fun with Felix' scenes in New York, driving down to Florida. OHMSS and YOLT have a very funny Bond, and Fleming overworks the exclamation points as Bond laughs inside, "Neat, that! Perhaps too neat!" in his resignation letter to M (he's composing this in his head while driving at high speed, it's sort of the pre-cell phone distraction. I could see a cop pulling him over, "Sir, do you know you were driving 100 in a 60 zone?") Bond laughs at his Sir Hillary character, at first trying to be what he thinks a baronet should be, and then realizing the real Hillary Bray was probably romping around the highlands after sheep. I recall a recollection when Fleming was writing one of the Bonds, "I had hoped it wouldn't be like this..." Solitaire says to Bond as they're tied together naked, and Noel Coward or someone looked over his shoulder and said, "Are you really going to include that?" And Fleming began to laugh until he lost his lunch (so to speak), giggling as he continued. I think he was being tongue-in-cheek when he described Bond as being a cipher. That may have been his first intention, but the Bond revealed in the books is not just a blunt, Craig-like instrument. Note in TSWLM, Bond comes across as a real gentleman, saving the damsel. Although she's beautiful, I think Bond would have even risked his life if she had been plain. I could go on and etc. but you just have to read in particular OHMSS and YOLT, and Bond, Tanaka and Miss Bunt will have you 'splitting your sides' (one of Bond's expressions). And, like the films, I don't read them as hard-boiled thrillers, but larger than life, with beautiful girls, thrilling locations, super villains. In the films, we get the girls and some of the locations (although am glad the other Bonds never fought in a seedy bathroom -- Bond is meant to fight in a glittering Osato pentoffice) but small villains and a small hero.

Nice post. Good to see an in-depth look at Fleming.....

I think this humour by Fleming has even seeped into the Craig movies too. But you forgot to mention that Bond did fight with Harlem thugs in corridors, shoot-outs in motels, gets kicked and stomped on by football boots in train carraiges, that in TSWLM the girl even thinks Bond is a villain too on first sight of him, that Bond gets brainwashed by the KBG to murder M, etc.

All these darker, harder elements fit Craig's portrayal fairly accurately.

[Blowfeld]

Soooo the man incapable of any other aspect of Ian's gentleman spy is really doing yeoman's work. Sorry I missed where Ian wrote John Rambo.

All of the actorsin the Connery series had a balance to the character capturing more of the whole person Ian wrote. If it's dark moodiness you're after look no further than Timothy, who was more than a one trick pony far as his Bond acting.

[tehmanis]

Soooo the man incapable of any other aspect of Ian's gentleman spy is really doing yeoman's work. Sorry I missed where Ian wrote John Rambo.

Sorry i missed where Ian wrote Melrose Place or Beverly Hills 90210 or other cheap over the top soap opera either (maybe Brosnan is more suitable for that kind of movies than doing Bond)

All of the actorsin the Connery series had a balance to the character capturing more of the whole person Ian wrote.

Sean, Lazenby, Dalton, Craig yes, i can's see Pierce fit with Fleming narrative : I quite agree that he’s not a person of much social attractiveness. But then, I didn’t intend for him to be a particularly likable person. He’s a cipher, a blunt instrument in the hands of government.

If it's dark moodiness you're after look no further than Timothy, who was more than a one trick pony far as his Bond acting.

I like Dalton too (why i got the impression here if someone like Craig as Bond means automatically they don't like all previous actor? )
btw but Craig got the BAFTA nomination for Bond

The only nomination cregg would get is gorilla in a suit & who cares if he did, awards today mean nothing, bond isn't meant to be about oscars,

Yes i agree isn't meant to be about Oscar, but it is wonderful if Bond got one isn't it? there is nothing wrong with Bond got BAFTA nomination right?

it's supposed to be fun not woah life is pain, i have to kill somebody,

oh yes but nut JUST FUN like Brosnan did, who play Bond like cheap animated cartoons. It must be balance approach like Connery Lazenby and Dalton (and Craig of course). Bond should have danger element, if he doesn't have it, the character would be idiotic like Brosnan did in real life. And i'm proud Craig get the nominations (although not win it) because HE IS THE FIRST BOND GOT BAFTA NOMINATIONS. THe nominations proves his acting abilities which far more better that Brosnan want to dream. Brosnan got razzies nomination prove what kind of actor he is.

bwwwwaaaah vesper a woman who betrayed him he barely knew and got angry about, you want to see a bond that handled that well look at lazenbys bond in ohmss it wasn't the best but that's how you do bond in love and how a character falls apart at the very end when you see him cry that is acting,

I like OHMSS too btw

iwhen I saw craig find vesper dead underwater I felt nothing, there was no chemistry between them & the stupid really cheesy love montage with them before that was terrible it felt like those really bad love montages purposely done in comedies that take the piss out of this kind of thing and for a so called serious reboot that really dropped the ball.

i prefer Bond with vesper stories million light years than BRosnan Bond with Dr CHristmas Jones which gave Bond WORST SCREEN COUPLE if you want to talk about no chemistry between Bond and his leading ladies you should have look TWINE Brosnan Bond relationship with Dr Christmas Jones. That the REAL examples how Bond actor got no chemistry AT ALL with his counterpart and got worst screen couple nomination for that - what a shameful acting by both of them

Reg Brosnan pain face, better than anything cregg can do (ie pout like droopy), he's a one expression person, I've seen actors in an uwe bole (the worst of the worst) show more emotion and expressions than cregg hell even tommy wiseau who made the worst film of all time the room is a more convincing actor then cregg and that's really saying something, you only put on that kind of face if you're bored and cregg clearly is no matter what he does.

so you like Brosnan Pain face

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well go ahead enjoy that.

Finally Brosnan brought nothing? are you serious he brought back renewed faith in the franchise, he brought in a whole new audience, brought back the excitement that was missing from bond for a longtime,

it means Dalton failed as Bond is that what you mean? i think you are deadly wrong

he felt like connery and moore with his own stuff as well brough to the table and it worked really well,

what his own stuff? is there any? oh his Pain face
sorry pal, i don't see Brosnan bring anything new to the franchise

that's what a real actors supposed to do carry on, bring over some elements whilst bringing on a bit of his own as well as long as it still feels like the same character and a natural evolution,

Brosnan? real actor? really? he brought nothing new to the franchise, he bring razzies nomination to the franchise which is a bad thing

cregg brought nothing,

I disagree, his acting make Bond get to its roots like Dalton did. Bond is not supposed to be pretty boy model with boys band attitude. Bond is a spy, a killer not underwear model.

he's merely a bourne poser & essentially bond if he had his nuts cut off who believes he's the incredible hulk busting through walls, killing tons of people then all of a sudden later feeling bad after he killed someone (consistensy, character development what's that), none of cr made any sense & how many d**n films does he need till he's supposed to be bond, batman did it in an hour, ironman in half an hour and this guys still stuck in I don't know who the bloody hell i am (another trait of bourne).

Brosnan bond kill more people than Craig btw
you bring batman and ironman tell me something that Bond supposed to be fantastical superheroes???? let me quote WHAT FLEMING SAID ABOUT THE CHARACTER FROM HIS INTERVIEW:



“…I wanted my hero to be entirely an anonymous instrument and to let the action of the book carry him along. I didn’t believe in the heroic Bulldog Drummond types. I mean, rather, I didn’t believe that they could any longer exist in literature. I wanted this man more or less to follow the pattern of Raymond Chandler’s or Dashiell Hammett’s heroes—believable people, believable heroes.


“I don’t think that [James Bond] is necessarily a good guy or a bad guy. Who is? He’s got his vices and very few perceptible virtues except patriotism and courage, which are probably not virtues anyway. He’s certainly got little in the way of politics, but I should think what politics he has are just a little bit left of centre. And he’s got little culture. He’s a man of action, and he reads books on golf, and so on—when he reads anything. I quite agree that he’s not a person of much social attractiveness. But then, I didn’t intend for him to be a particularly likable person. He’s a cipher, a blunt instrument in the hands of government.

have you read that? Fleming Bond is ordinary heroes, believable people, not over the top super fantastical heroes like you wanna believe.

Feel free to debunk what I've said and turn it around I know I'm right and I stand by it,

yes you were right because its your OWN opinion, and i disagree with that,and if you believe Bond supposed to be fantastical over the top superheroes means you ignoring Fleming idea about BOND character.

cregg was nominated, so are people like russell brand.

Russel Brand got BAFTA nominations?

[Gala Brand]

I agree, George. Bond of the books and the pre-Craig movies wasn't a psychopath who enjoyed killing, except for bloodlust in dispatching the main baddies, such as Blofeld . He was repulsed, reflecting about 'horrible, glinting messes.' Craig's "Bond" would stare intently, like Peter Lorre, Yes! Yes! I seeeee, yes! Oh, what do you think of me, oh oh! This 'Bond' has no heart because he has no brain.

Yeah, there's no way that a smiling James Bond would shoot to death an unarmed Professor Dent. Of course the funny thing about that scene is that Professor Dent has a Colt M1911, which is seven shots. Bond misidentifies it as a "Smith & Wesson" with six shots. If "Dr. No" had been realistic Bond would've died half-way through Bond 1.

[commander0077again]

Bond knew Dent had loaded it with six rounds, either 1/ just by looking or 2/ he had removed the extra bullet. He is Bond, after all. As one of the EON people said something like, "Bond has to be a gentleman. But not just a gentleman only, since there are plenty of those. He has to be able to smile at the dinner table and then stab someone with his steak knife." The new "Bond" would not be invited by the real M to have dinner at Blades, for instance. He doesn't have any class or affection for M. Granted, the early film Bond was different from the books, the relationship between M and 007 was never fleshed-out. In the books, they had much respect for one another. Out of the office, M called him James.

[Dr. No]

What I liked about Bond was he was the best of British refinement mixed with their true grit we admired when England was up against it in WWII.

Primarily Bond was a educated man added to his dedication was his experience. He didn't have to know everything but he was attentive and willing to learn from the situation and people. A Renaissance man who also had the ability to act on the field of battle in the best interest of others.

How many times did the Bond of the books come up with surprising amount of knowledge on a subject we never had a clue he'd be knowledgeable about?

[Kristatos]

How many times did the Bond of the books come up with surprising amount of knowledge on a subject we never had a clue he'd be knowledgeable about?

Not as often as in the films. There was a tendency in the films roughly between YOLT and TMWTGG to make him into a bit of a smug know-it-all.

[Irony-man]

I always thought that you could see Brosnan's Bond calculating each and every move he was doing. Watch his eyes flick around in the pre-credits scene of Goldeneye. And I'm sorry but growing up as Bas***d Irish lad is going to Mae you tough. My grandfather was the toughest man I ever knew and he was tiny (and Irish). He could also at 85 charm all the girls in my university dorm better than any undergrad when he came to take me out to lunch.

And for examples of Brosnan's acting ability watch The Matador or The Ghost Writer

[commander0077again]

I always thought that you could see Brosnan's Bond calculating each and every move he was doing. Watch his eyes flick around in the pre-credits scene of Goldeneye. And I'm sorry but growing up as Bas***d Irish lad is going to Mae you tough. My grandfather was the toughest man I ever knew and he was tiny (and Irish). He could also at 85 charm all the girls in my university dorm better than any undergrad when he came to take me out to lunch.

And for examples of Brosnan's acting ability watch The Matador or The Ghost Writer

Yesh, you're abs right, Irony-man (btw, double kudos on codename) .... growing up, I knew a couple of smaller men who were not only tough, but gentle. One was a cook in the Army, yet he earned a silver star; he was always just a sweet guy. The other guy is me dad.... I heard from the 'other participant' that when my dad was in his 50s, a guy half his age and outweighed him by 30 lbs., and who was running partner for a world boxing champion, and was a good streetfighter who knew dirty stuff, etc.... well, he challenged Cmdr 0077's dad to a 'fair fight, no sticks' ... and he was knocked out with one punch. This is a true story, because the guy who was knocked told me; my dad treated him fairly after that, and the guy grew to have a lot of affection for him. I also recall a guy who was certainly in the real-Bond mode, commonwealth SAS; and after Vietnam he was a hired hand, but only for the best. He could also play the piano and fly a jet. And he was smaller than Craig; and in Vietnam a squad of half a dozen guys were picked for perhaps the most important 'job' of the war ... and all those guys were around his size. He also mentioned that his SAS days you wouldn't find a gym rat with a Rambo physique ... one thing is that you couldn't blend into a crowd; plus, the gym rat would have something 'unstable' about him, so he wouldn't be weeded out. So Craig's bulging physique is all wrong for not only the real best of the best, but for classic Bond. Which is why I agree that Brosnan's build was more "realistic" and of course suits the novel 007. Plus, the SAS guy gave an example of the real operators in a game of darts: the first guy would brag how good he was, and flex his 'muscles'; the second guy would whine and say he wasn't very good at all, but he'd try his best; the operator would just step up, no fanfare, and give it his best.