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Postby Veronica » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:02 pm

Barbara may try to make people see Craig as the new quintessential Bond but honestly watching Craig just makes it all the more clear how well previous actors did it.

To Saint's point about Craig wearing a similar black outfit like Moore in LALD...it couldn't possibly be even compared,in that picture Moore simply oozes suaveness and charisma while Craig,obviously,does not. Not to mention that teaser poster is photoshoped to the point of absurdity.
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Postby The Saint 007 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:21 pm

Dalton exMI6 wrote:Thanks! Absolutely right that Moore looks way cooler than Craig. Craig and that skull mask he wears in Spectre are great bedfellows. That skull mask is like his personality. He is the death of Bond!

What makes Roger Moore so fantastic is that he does not believe his own hype. He is very humble and a great ambassador for the UK worldwide. He is a legend and he was my first exposure to James Bond as a child on television. And he is a brilliant, brilliant comedian. He actually is funny. Stand up comics have nothing on Roger.

Craig on the other hand thinks he is the dogs bollocks and it comes across in his interviews. When I see his mug on the television, I change channel. He is pretentious and looks like a goblin from Harry Potter.

I can watch Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan with enthusiasm. All different, but all classy in their own way. They represent the image elegantly. Their value is now greater than before due to a certain miscreant in the role!


Moore has always been my favourite Bond for his effortlessly cool nature and how he can make even the most cheesiest jokes work. I don't think there will ever be another Bond actor quite like him. While I do appreciate Moore's humble attitude, there are times were he can be a bit harsh on himself.

I'm not sure if you have seen the fan edits of the Spectre trailer. There's one for Connery, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. While I don't care for Spectre's story, simply replacing Craig with a proper Bond actor already makes a big improvement. Here's the edited trailers in case you haven't seen them.







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Postby Dalton exMI6 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:28 pm

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Dalton exMI6 wrote:Thanks! Absolutely right that Moore looks way cooler than Craig. Craig and that skull mask he wears in Spectre are great bedfellows. That skull mask is like his personality. He is the death of Bond!

What makes Roger Moore so fantastic is that he does not believe his own hype. He is very humble and a great ambassador for the UK worldwide. He is a legend and he was my first exposure to James Bond as a child on television. And he is a brilliant, brilliant comedian. He actually is funny. Stand up comics have nothing on Roger.

Craig on the other hand thinks he is the dogs bollocks and it comes across in his interviews. When I see his mug on the television, I change channel. He is pretentious and looks like a goblin from Harry Potter.

I can watch Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan with enthusiasm. All different, but all classy in their own way. They represent the image elegantly. Their value is now greater than before due to a certain miscreant in the role!


Moore has always been my favourite Bond for his effortlessly cool nature and how he can make even the most cheesiest jokes work. I don't think there will ever be another Bond actor quite like him. While I do appreciate Moore's humble attitude, there are times were he can be a bit harsh on himself.

I'm not sure if you have seen the fan edits of the Spectre trailer. There's one for Connery, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. While I don't care for Spectre's story, simply replacing Craig with a proper Bond actor already makes a big improvement. Here's the edited trailers in case you haven't seen them.









Yes indeed! I have seen them. Had Skyfall had any past Bond, it would have been a masterpiece. For that film to work, you need James Bond and not an older Tintin.

You are right. Moore is too harsh on himself and too generous to Craggers.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby bjmdds » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:39 pm

What a difference the right actor makes!
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Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:05 pm

bjmdds wrote:What a difference the right actor makes!




I look at your Connery avatar and then am told the man above equals or exceeds him. The world has gone mad.

Just shows that financial success does not equal quality, or truth . Shocking!
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby The Saint 007 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:36 pm

If either Connery or Moore's Bond was in Skyfall's art appreciation scene, they probably would have put the young Q in his place by giving him a know-it-all description of the painting. Craig's Bond, however, is clueless.
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Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:10 pm

The Saint 007 wrote:If either Connery or Moore's Bond was in Skyfall's art appreciation scene, they probably would have put the young Q in his place by giving him a know-it-all description of the painting. Craig's Bond, however, is clueless.


Even George Lazenby would have aced that scene. Craig falls on his sword and there is no contrast between Bond and Q. Craig redefines the word Bland.

The mistake of the Craggers era is that it thinks it is cleverer than the old series

Bond and Q scenes in classic Bond were magical and very entertaining. In Skysnore it has a funeral atmosphere.

And this piece of sh*t, Skysnore, has been hailed as the greatest Bond film? My goodness, but standards have hit rock bottom.

Craggers is Bond for the zombie generation.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby The Saint 007 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:51 pm

Dalton exMI6 wrote:
The Saint 007 wrote:If either Connery or Moore's Bond was in Skyfall's art appreciation scene, they probably would have put the young Q in his place by giving him a know-it-all description of the painting. Craig's Bond, however, is clueless.


Even George Lazenby would have aced that scene. Craig falls on his sword and there is no contrast between Bond and Q. Craig redefines the word Bland.

The mistake of the Craggers era is that it thinks it is cleverer than the old series

Bond and Q scenes in classic Bond were magical and very entertaining. In Skysnore it has a funeral atmosphere.

And this piece of sh*t, Skysnore, has been hailed as the greatest Bond film? My goodness, but standards have hit rock bottom.

Craggers is Bond for the zombie generation.


The films now have become soap operas that are ashamed of being Bond films, and the filmmakers try to market them as some artsy Oscar award-winning dramas.

With every new Craig Bond film, there's always over-hyped people claiming it to be the best. But after awhile when the hype wears off, people start taking a more critical look at the films. I'm seeing less enthusiasm for Skyfall now than when it was first released. Other than Casino Royale, the Craig films have some mixed opinions, especially Quantum Of Solace and Spectre. Only time will tell how well his era of Bond films will age.
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Postby Veronica » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:44 am

I say it won't age very well. Honestly,I have never seen a movie that went from "the best evaaa" to "which movie is that again?" in such a short time like Skyfall. The one thing everyone remembers is the moment Bond turns gay when he sees Javier Bardem with that hilarious wig. And possibly Adele's song.
And let's not even go there and mention those films that IMO easily claim the title of two of the worst movies in the series,and both of these films succeed that for very different reasons.
The one Craig movie whose reputation doesn't seem to get worse is CR even though I have no idea how on earth that happened. Do people really think that love story was convincing and that Green and Craig had chemistry? Whenever I remember the dialogue I shudder. At least Caterina Murino was there for two and a half minutes...
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Postby dirtybenny » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:05 am

Veronica wrote:The one Craig movie whose reputation doesn't seem to get worse is CR even though I have no idea how on earth that happened. Do people really think that love story was convincing and that Green and Craig had chemistry? Whenever I remember the dialogue I shudder. At least Caterina Murino was there for two and a half minutes...



The reason CR doesn't slip in the ratings is multifaceted. First it's not DAD, where as that movie was Bond dialed up to 11 CR is Bond dialed down to 1/2. CR brought out all the new fans who "didn't like Bond until Craig", which is to say they don't like Bond at all not the proper Bond anyway. Second it's not a terrible film, it's certainly not a Bond film by any means but as a generic action film ala the Bourne Superfuacy series it stands up on it's own (I give a lot of the credit for that to the Fleming framework used). Finally and most importantly each successive film after it has been a joke, all flash and dazzle up front but no substance behind, oh sure they put on airs of bringing sophistication and character development but have they really? So by association CR looks like a masterpiece.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:25 pm

The Saint 007,Veronica and dirtybenny

Appreciate all the points raised. Regarding Casino Royale, that was one of the most famous Fleming novels and the film benefitted from the negativity surrounding Craig's casting.

I went to see it out of curiosity and also feeling sorry for Craig. A mistake, because Craggers is the most arrogant actor to take the mantle of Bond.

Many of those who love Craggers do so because they loved the style of the Bourne film. And because the media told them to. And so true, I have heard that the Craig films are Bond for adults. The old series is Bond for children.

And Casino is a depressing watch. Fleming's novel is gritty but not depressing.

Though DAD was an unfortunate step in the wrong direction, I am rereading Casino Royale and find the book better. The film handles the torture sequence too unrealistically and Craggers drew inspiration from the Herbal Essences Shampoo commercials than Fleming. Bond of the books would not talk like that nor the films. Think Connery in Goldfinger.

There is no way Bond could have sexual prowess after having his privates destroyed. May as well believe a bullet to the head does not kill.


Quentin Tarantino was right that Casino Royale should have been done as a period piece, because chronologically it takes place before the iconic Dr No.

Casino Royale does not fit with the classic Bond series.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby The Saint 007 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:19 pm

Dalton exMI6 wrote:I am rereading Casino Royale and find the book better. The film handles the torture sequence too unrealistically and Craggers drew inspiration from the Herbal Essences Shampoo commercials than Fleming.


Oh God, those commercials! Now I'll think of that every time I see the Casino Royale torture scene! :lol:

Even when I first saw the film, I thought Craig seemed a little too thrilled. One of the few times his Bond actually smiles and laughs. It reminds me of the masochist patient in the film Little Shop Of Horrors who gets turned on when the evil dentist is drilling his teeth.

I guess the torture scene was done that way in order to tone down the violence and age rating, but you are right in that it just feels off.
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Postby Omega » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:31 pm

Love the Dalton spectre trailer, except his movies were so much better. Spectre is a mess of a movie that takes itself too seriously, still be a better movie with Dalton


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Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:46 pm

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Dalton exMI6 wrote:I am rereading Casino Royale and find the book better. The film handles the torture sequence too unrealistically and Craggers drew inspiration from the Herbal Essences Shampoo commercials than Fleming.


Oh God, those commercials! Now I'll think of that every time I see the Casino Royale torture scene! :lol:

Even when I first saw the film, I thought Craig seemed a little too thrilled. One of the few times his Bond actually smiles and laughs. It reminds me of the masochist patient in the film Little Shop Of Horrors who gets turned on when the evil dentist is drilling his teeth.

I guess the torture scene was done that way in order to tone down the violence and age rating, but you are right in that it just feels off.



If you read the novel of Casino Royale, you will see how far off Craig is from Fleming. When Dr Kananga in Live And Let Die threatens to cut off Bond's finger, Roger Moore does Fleming better than Craig. He plays it more realistically in the situation and certainly would not antagonise the villain to do worse.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:52 pm

Omega wrote:Love the Dalton spectre trailer, except his movies were so much better. Spectre is a mess of a movie that takes itself too seriously, still be a better movie with Dalton


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Timothy Dalton in younger form is the perfect Bond for the modern era. He does the Fleming Bond justice and is a better actor than Craig.

A disgrace, that Craig got all the credit for what Dalton explored first. A black friend of mine said it is criminal how underrated Dalton is and that Craig makes Dalton look like the happy Bond.
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Postby Omega » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:56 pm

Dalton got so much crap at the time for being to glum, but he wasn't . He wasn't any more glum than Brosnan or Connery . And Dalton was the epitome of what Flemings book bond was, there also the movie bond Fleming helped make.

Craig is a walking advertisement for antidepressant pharmaceuticals. He is only happy when captured with the anticipation of torture.




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Postby Dalton exMI6 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:11 pm

Omega wrote:Dalton got so much crap at the time for being to glum, but he wasn't . He wasn't any more glum than Brosnan or Connery . And Dalton was the epitome of what Flemings book bond was, there also the movie bond Fleming helped make.

Craig is a walking advertisement for antidepressant pharmaceuticals. He is only happy when captured with the anticipation of torture.
And Craggers the lover? :lol: Give me the invisible car from DAD. That was easy to buy.




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Connery and Dalton are my favourite Bonds. Very much enjoyed Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan. All looked the part in their own unique way. And with them, you knew it was a Bond film. And after seeing Skysnore, I realised how much Dalton smiles.

And I love the Q scenes with Dalton. His subtle humour is there in The Living Daylights and the Q scene in LTK is funny.

Dalton's dark brooding looks are perfect for the role. And he never tried to show off how macho he is. Craig poses like he is even better than Connery.

A shame that Dalts got two movies and the goblin is on four. That MGM lawsuit put an end to his tenure.

In a sane world, one movie is torture enough with Craig.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby Kristatos » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:53 pm

Omega wrote:Dalton got so much crap at the time for being to glum, but he wasn't . He wasn't any more glum than Brosnan or Connery . And Dalton was the epitome of what Flemings book bond was, there also the movie bond Fleming helped make.

I think that his Bond films don't necessarily make the best use of his sense of humour. His turns in Hot Fuzz, Looney Tunes: Back In Action and even The Rocketeer show that he can handle comedy (the latter wasn't a comedy role as such, but he clearly had a lot of fun playing it). If he had done a third or fourth, they may have made better use of it. The isolated moments of Moore-style humour in LTK seem ill-at-ease with the rest of the film.
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Re: Welcome thread

Postby Veronica » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:24 pm

I agree that his Bond movies didn't exactly hit the right button when it comes to comedy. For me it always sort of felt like...not quite there. But Dalton in Hot Fuzz? Fabulous.
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Postby Omega » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:58 pm

I wonder if he felt he couldn't be funny as he was in hot fuzz or if eon held him back.
I like his movie but he could haven been better in one or two more. I think he and brosnan felt the weight of the franchise on their backs. Especially for the first two movies. Brosnan really gets in the role by twine and dad was one of his best performances (you've got to ignore the script) . He took Bond places it hadn't been before, was actually praised for it before the fanboys jumped on the Craig band wagon.
Craig in skyfall looked bored, even more so in spectre. He just didn't want to be there and it comes across in those films big time.
Brosnan and Dalton did want the job and do like James Bond they were honored to get the job and it showed then and still shows.


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