Fleming possible reaction

Postby Harvey Wallbanger » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:12 am

explains the seismic activity in the area :lol:
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Postby The Sweeney » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:29 am

Dr. No wrote:
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Dr. No wrote:CR loosely based on the book. For my money OHMSS came the closest to the Book. (the audio book in my case :) )

Since Fleming didn't like Connery, Craig would have been too crude for his taste. Not to mention the wrong look to begin with.


What you are inadvertantly saying there is Connery and Craig are similar.

With regards films closest to the novels, I would rank them as -

1. OHMSS
2. FRWL
3. Dr. No
4. CR
5. GF (people often forget this is actually very close to the novel)
6. TB


NO what I am saying is exactly What I said.
Fleming thought Connery was too crude, yes Young ? polished him up but he was charming and charismatic form the get go. SC & DC are very dissimilar.
If handsome charming Connery was too crude then craig's thugishness and his hoodlum Bond has Fleming spinning in his grave.


I still say you are wrong, but then how could I, or anyone prove this. It is a theory that will sadly never be able to confirm one way or another.

All I will say, is that watching the film again last night, it shows more of the grittier, sadistic, nastier streaks that Fleming had in all his novels, yet never once was portrayed on screen before (not even in LTK). CR is the first, and Craig is the first to portray this fully.

I personally think Fleming would have been doing cartwheels in celebration at CR, shouting from the rooftops, `Yesss! YESSS! They have finally cracked it! They've finally shown Bond on screen for what he really was!'

But sadly we will never know.
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Postby Blowfeld » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:45 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
Blowfeld wrote:Two minds about this:
On one hand I don't believe Fleming would be satisfied with Craig. If that was his intention for Bond then when FRWL was being filmed he would have spoke up and said 'you guys got the wrong guy as Bond, the guy playing insane lunatic killer is exactly what Bond should be'.

On the other hand I think Fleming wouldn't have cared if the money was right and the checks cashed. :?


Sorry Blowfeld but you are way off the mark there. Robert Shaw's character in FRWL is nothing like Craig's character in CR.

I don't see how this character resembles Captain Nash at all.... :?


Fleming's physical description matches of Red Grant/Krassno Granitsky/Captain Nash closely matches Daniel.
“The eye lids with their fringe of short sandy eyelashes drooped drowsily back over the very pale blue, opaque, in-ward-looking eyes. The small cruel lips”

Talking about a massage “The man was immensely strong and the bulging muscles at the base of the neck hardly yielded to the girl’s thumbs.”

Grant enjoys killing people, Daniel demonstrated this at least twice.
His rampage in Africa was in the style of Grant.
Grant has a very limited finer education, shown by the fact he doesn't know white wine goes with fish. Again Daniel demonstrated this trait rather than the refined Bond who caught this faux pas.
The Sweeney wrote: Craig did have subtle moments were we knew he had a heart (shower scene with Vesper, the suprised look and comment after Vesper saves him from being poisoned, the smile when the banker apologises for not bringing chocolates, the look of fear before being tortured, the whole end part when Bond falls in love, etc.)

To me these scenes were Royale's weakest.
The whole Romance in Royale was unconvincing, as was Daniel actually being in love.
The life saving Vesper/car was underwhelming.
The Vesper shower did not connect either.
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Postby The Sweeney » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:05 pm

Blowfeld wrote: Fleming's physical description matches of Red Grant/Krassno Granitsky/Captain Nash closely matches Daniel.
“The eye lids with their fringe of short sandy eyelashes drooped drowsily back over the very pale blue, opaque, in-ward-looking eyes. The small cruel lips”

Talking about a massage “The man was immensely strong and the bulging muscles at the base of the neck hardly yielded to the girl’s thumbs.”


Some truth in what you said there. However, this didn't detract me from seeing Craig as Bond, and I'm not alone with this opinion.

Blowfeld wrote:
Grant enjoys killing people, Daniel demonstrated this at least twice.
His rampage in Africa was in the style of Grant.


The only enjoyment I saw in Craig killing someone was the smile on his face when the bomber blew himself up. To me this was a cool reaction, a kind of Indiana Jones type reaction (Pat Roache's plane propeller death in Raiders). His rampage in Africa was no different to Brosnan's tank chase in GE.

Blowfeld wrote:
Grant has a very limited finer education, shown by the fact he doesn't know white wine goes with fish. Again Daniel demonstrated this trait rather than the refined Bond who caught this faux pas.


Where did Craig not show knowledge of drinks in the film? There was a decent bottle of wine on the table during the train scene, for instance. And he certainly knew how to ask for his specialist Martini's (straight out of the novel).

Blowfeld wrote:
To me these scenes were Royale's weakest.
The whole Romance in Royale was unconvincing, as was Daniel actually being in love.
The life saving Vesper/car was underwhelming.
The Vesper shower did not connect either.


Like you said, to you. Others were convinced by these scenes.
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Postby Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:34 pm

Fleming's reaction would have been similar to Edward Fox's.
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Postby The Sweeney » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:55 pm

Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:Fleming's reaction would have been similar to Edward Fox's.....in my opinion!


Sorry Cap'n. But I just wanted to ammend your post slightly. Hope you don't mind...... :wink:
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Postby Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:18 am

I'm sure Ian Fleming would have really enjoyed Quantum of Solace. :D
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