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"Bond being brought into a more serious real world..."
Oh yeah it's so serious for a secret agent to just dissapear and let everyone think he's dead and then just come back after a few months...and HE'S NOT FIRED? Talk about realism!
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Image Let this be the next Bond at this rate and I am SURE our FBF will agree :!:
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Veronica wrote:"Bond being brought into a more serious real world..."
Oh yeah it's so serious for a secret agent to just dissapear and let everyone think he's dead and then just come back after a few months...and HE'S NOT FIRED? Talk about realism!
also since LTK it's been "this time it's personal " every movie. Worked in LTK and GE, kind of got old that bond could only go rogue after cubby died


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They just repeat the "this time it's personal" thing because they are completely lacking ideas. I mean come on...the head of SPECTRE is now Bond's brother?! That's an Austin Powers twist. THE Austin Powers,the one that fucked all of the franchise,according to Craig. True definition of irony if you ask me.
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Been a bit AWOL the last couple of weeks so thought I’d throw a few mini rants your way gleaned from a couple articles found on MI6-HQ.

First a few words from Mrs. Moneypenny Naomie Harris fount here.

Miss Moneypenny actress Naomie Harris has made a public plea for Daniel Craig to come back for a fifth James Bond film.

I bet she has!

"He's an extraordinary actor and I think he's the best modern Bond that we have had and I desperately want him back," she said at the London Film Festival last month. "Come back Daniel!"

Yeah she wants Danny back, because if he goes they may do a full reboot and unlike Dame Judy Dench Naomie will be deemed replacable.

"Of course I want to be back with Daniel, I started with Daniel," the actress told reporters.

Yes, and you’ll end with Daniel!

"When I was nervous on my first day, it was Daniel who calmed my nerves."

Nervous your first day? You had nearly two decades of experience leading up to Skyfoul, why the hell would you be nervous?


Second Michael Fassbender says a few suspect things about Bond here, hey we all can’t be Bond scholars, but that’s not the point of this, it’s the posters reaction that I find laughable.


Michael says:
"No, I think the franchise needs something new. What about we start the film back in Sandhurst, army training, rather than on a yacht, or he's in the Middle East on an op and gets thrown in the brig for insubordination. He's going to get court-martialed..."

"Well, I have thought about it a lot. The film could start off in Sandhurst and how he became a 'double 0'. M could walk in and say to him, 'Bond, there's a 00 project but it's going to be totally off the book, black ops, and you've got to go into prison undetected.' Fassbender laughs. "I just love Bond. Doesn't everyone? I grew up with him. It's always a fun conversation to have."

"But Bond should be someone in their early twenties." What about Ryan Gosling? "Sure, why not? I always thought Bond should be British, but let's get an American in. Or maybe someone like Jack O'Connell would be good? Or even better, how about Jane Bond? A woman."

The poster brackets this quote with the following indignations:

“…talked about the role with such ignorance that even a casual follower of the series would raise an eyebrow at his lack of understanding.”

And, “...Best stick to 'X-Men' movies, Michael.”

Of course this individual is right, these are some rather questionable thoughts for someone to have about Bond, especially if he claims to be a fan from way back, but these are some of the very same ideas that have been posited by EON and the fanboy ilk.

Of course Sandhurst is the Royal Army’s Academy so a naval officer wouldn’t attend, but wasn’t there an “official biography” of Bond put out by EON around the time CR premiered that stated Bond was in the army? Also Jane Bond has been bandied about quite a bit by the “progressive thinkers” about town, so his thoughts on it aren’t totally out of line. Tell you the truth though the bit about Ryan Gosling strikes me as a gag too far, leading me to believe our friend here was just trolled by Michael Fassbender!

And finally at the end of a rather long and tedious retrospection of CR found here the author of that piece says:

“'Casino Royale' put away the old conception of James Bond to reintroduce him as a man who ultimately triumphs, but passes through a lot of pain in order to get the final victory.”

Hooray! That’s exactly what I want out of a Bond film, Pain! Anguish! Solitude! Not escapist fun, a refuge from the dreary doldrums of everyday life, No! Sophomoric moping and cocked up missions, that’s the Bond I want!
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Another great (mini) rant!

I don't think these actors including brosnan really care about bond, they want to be on the right side of history. And brosnan was advocating a black bond in 2003.
I think casting young is a idea that's time has come. The idea behind the reboot was to cast a very young bond, and we got Craig and movies produced at a snails pace


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May be mistaken, but I think Brosnan was one of the few, or maybe even the only, Bond actor to say he read the novels. Does this mean he read them all? I always thought he was a Bond fan, which brings an added smile. The 'others' were only playing a part, but Brosnan was playing a part, partly as a fan. :cake:
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Dalton read the novels too, and was very vocal about bringing Bond closer to Fleming.
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commander0077again wrote:May be mistaken, but I think Brosnan was one of the few, or maybe even the only, Bond actor to say he read the novels. Does this mean he read them all? I always thought he was a Bond fan, which brings an added smile. The 'others' were only playing a part, but Brosnan was playing a part, partly as a fan. :cake:
You are probably right, I remember pro craigers made fun of him for saying dr no was the first book, I think he got turned around during the interview said the movie instead of the book, I think he knew what fun it was to watch the movies as a fan but this was when he was in the roll.
Now he's all "glory hallelujah" there could be a gay, black, or female bond. That's trying to be PC over being true to the character.
Hollywood is caught up in the bubble think of why can't anybody play any role, they don't want to acknowledge there are people wrong for a role. They see Bond not as a character written a certain way to be played with a certain sophistication, they see bond as the brass ring in acting jobs that nobody should be discriminated from. A caricature more than character.

IMO Craig is a big part of the cheapening of Bond, he so wrong for the role, and his movies are unrecognizable as a bond movie what does it matter if they hire Peter Dinklage? and I like peter Dinklage he's a great actor but not bond.
Hollywood treats bond like they did Bob Dylan in "I'm not there", they don't take bond in the books or movies seriously and it's the broccoli's fault.
Babs lost all control changing bond to follow the current social causes and be trendy in Hollywood, bond before had been able to set the standard now the series in caught in the riptide of Hollywood and is being pulled out to sea.

Former bonds like brosnan don't help when they side with PC Hollywood to be popular in the right circles. IMO he and the other bonds are willing to do this because they took so much crap for playing bond which is still unpopular in Hollywood despite babs selling out.




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I remember reading that Brosnan owned Fleming's gold plated typewriter and studied the work of Yat Malmgren as that was what Connery had done to create his signature "cat like" movement. Also in EON'S documentary you could see the excitement in his eyes when he spoke of getting hired (both times) and the disappointment of his dismissal (both times).
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dirtybenny wrote:I remember reading that Brosnan owned Fleming's gold plated typewriter and studied the work of Yat Malmgren as that was what Connery had done to create his signature "cat like" movement. Also in EON'S documentary you could see the excitement in his eyes when he spoke of getting hired (both times) and the disappointment of his dismissal (both times).
It's always nice to see when an actor truly loves being a part of something bigger than himself.
One of the things that always bothered me about Craig is his obvious "better than Bond" attitude he's had ever since 2006.
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Brosnan up to 2012 was that fan who loves bond and was luck enough to play bond. Then he jumped on the skyfall media express never looking back.
The things he says now about casting the next bond or Craig don't help get Connery's bond back or honor Ian Fleming.


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Very true Omega, but don't forget Brosnan has to swim in the same water as the rest of Hollywood, which is to say he needs to toe the line or be cast out. Look at poor Sir Roger who stated those who play Bond should be British, only to have his words twisted by the interviewer to mean "Blacks need not apply" and the media went nuts. Sir Rodger Moore the UNICEF ambassador who dedicates himself to ensuring children throughout the world of all races and colors have clean water and plenty to eat, you know that old Klansman. Even after going in to damage control and straightening the mess out the occasional wag will still bring it up in an article or forum. So I imagine Pierce just wants to avoid falling in to the same trap.
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It's the same trap the producers fell in, trying to swim in the sea of PC popular culture. The people they are trying to please never liked bond and are eager to see the series pervert itself out of a sense of revenge for its past decadence.

I don't blame brosnan for saying what he says now, I just draw a distinction between bond is supposed to be and the quicksand of multiculturalism.
Roger Moore probably the nicest guy in show business and the new book writer had to go in witness protection because they weren't team Elba.
The press/twitter even tried this on one of the actors from LALD who said what he thought bond should be until they found out he was black.

Nobody would stand against Craig who is a ugly short white guy living in white privilege up to his eyeballs, cast a woman as bond and there is no chance of even holding a conversation on the merits of it, you'll be found dead on facebook the next morning.


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Veronica wrote: One of the things that always bothered me about Craig is his obvious "better than Bond" attitude he's had ever since 2006.
Craig will make another one in 2019 - and then complain about how awful it was making it to try and pretend he is a serious actor above the series.
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dirtybenny wrote:Very true Omega, but don't forget Brosnan has to swim in the same water as the rest of Hollywood, which is to say he needs to toe the line or be cast out. Look at poor Sir Roger who stated those who play Bond should be British, only to have his words twisted by the interviewer to mean "Blacks need not apply" and the media went nuts. Sir Rodger Moore the UNICEF ambassador who dedicates himself to ensuring children throughout the world of all races and colors have clean water and plenty to eat, you know that old Klansman. Even after going in to damage control and straightening the mess out the occasional wag will still bring it up in an article or forum. So I imagine Pierce just wants to avoid falling in to the same trap.
I recall a while back Moore saying that Bond should not be made female, gay, or a different ethnicity. With a few of the interviews I've seen recently, I've noticed Moore now getting questioned if Bond should become female. They go from persisting Moore about black Bond to a female Bond to cause more trouble for him. Moore says that sort of thing would be good for a different spy series altogether, very much like most of us here have said.

Between the repetitive questions and the politically correct garbage, it wouldn't surprise me if Moore just stops doing interviews.
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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
Veronica wrote: One of the things that always bothered me about Craig is his obvious "better than Bond" attitude he's had ever since 2006.
Craig will make another one in 2019 - and then complain about how awful it was making it to try and pretend he is a serious actor above the series.
If it's so freaking awful he should quit. Oh right,the money is just too good and the directors aren't lining up to work with him. For a guy who has no looks,charisma or elegance he sure as hell got lucky.
Today I read on mi6 forum how Craig is the most charismatic Bond of them all. Go figure that one out.
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Veronica wrote: Today I read on mi6 forum how Craig is the most charismatic Bond of them all. Go figure that one out.

Serial killer Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, culture leaders Jim Jones and David Koresh are referred to as "charismatic " also, so go figure!
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To be fair, I've seen only two non-Bonds that Craig has made. One based on a true story, about brother rebels being guerillas against (I think) the Russians. He did a plausible job, but not 'charismatic' IMO; in fact, I didn't even finish the film. The other was a thriller where he played a nicer guy with a different look. That was a better job than the first. Trouble is, I forget the titles of the films, so that's the overall impression they made. But again, we are focusing on the choice of a fair actor (or good) who does not have the qualities (physical and otherwise) to portray James Bond. While my studies aren't scientific, in discussions with Bond fans, it seems those who have read the books give a big thumbs down to Craig. If that makes us 'purists' well, then, the pure will inherit the Earth.
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I've seen many many posts from people who like the direction that came with Craig where they say they never really liked Bond movies as they were. Because of that I got the conclusion Craig fans that lurk around on forums(notably mi6) only really like Craig movies but they can't really say it out loud. I am not saying all of them are like that but one part definitely is!
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