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acid wrote:Yeah that's true, I'd gladly wave goodbye to the Craigverse :Happy: but we'd really need the media and fans to see that it was the end of just his timeline and not the classic Bond's. Once they kill Bond, it's done, they've crossed that boundary, so they might be more likely to try that stunt again with future actors.

By the way, in November Man when he's going through the files of the agents that were killed, am I remembering right that one of the photos is Daniel Craig?

About the only way of showing Bond's death that I'd consider acceptable would be a sort of flash-forward to a very elderly Bond far in the future, dragged out of retirement for some great cause. I don't think that sort of thing has any place in a Bond movie though - it would be more at home in a Simpson's Halloween special!
November man was a direct swipe at the bond franchise including using the qos actress and story for the most part both to better effect. But it never caught on and in 2012 Brosnan got his check for promoting the 50th anniversary decides to suck to the series and go with the PR flow.


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John P. Drake wrote:I never saw this appeal to Aidan Turner, personally. I mean, he won't be a bad choice, I guess, but he's far from being the best choice.

After seeing him in The Man from UNCLE and Mission: Impossible - Fallout, as well as how he handled himself like Bond during interviews, I want Henry Cavill in the role.

Sure, that's not happening with Barbara Broccoli, but suppose we had a hypothetical Cubby as a producer, Cavill would be the best choice.
with cubbby Brosnan wouldn’t be fired but I do think cavill would have got the role not be a runner up to Craig who’s looks and story line cubby would never allow. IMO Craig’s attitude would have him replaced in 2011 when his contract initially expired after 3 years with no movie in production.


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About cavill he’s proven himself in similar roles. He was really good in fallout and I see why paramount wouldn’t allow him to shave for justice league reshoots.


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John P. Drake wrote:I never saw this appeal to Aidan Turner, personally. I mean, he won't be a bad choice, I guess, but he's far from being the best choice.

After seeing him in The Man from UNCLE and Mission: Impossible - Fallout, as well as how he handled himself like Bond during interviews, I want Henry Cavill in the role.

Sure, that's not happening with Barbara Broccoli, but suppose we had a hypothetical Cubby as a producer, Cavill would be the best choice.
Cavill would be a close second for me, but I think Turner has the same dangerous quality that Connery and Dalton both brought to the role in their own ways.

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Aidan Turner IS everything Bond should be :!: His looks cross that of Dalton and Brosnan and is the perfect age and women love him too as men will, if he ever gets the chance to portray Bond;however, with Broccoli desiring Cr-egg until her hormones fade away, she might have to be overruled by somebody because watching Cr-egg as a 75 year old Bond won't fly with the public. She still truly must believe Cr-egg is idolized now as Bond. The only way she will get a wake up call is for this film to underperform at the box office and MGM takes charge. There is no other alternative :!: She wants a two part film now to extend Cr-egg's tenure ala Harry Potter's final film being divided into two parts. Her obsession with this cretin will be her undoing, and rightfully so.
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Omega wrote:Audiences are looking past bond 25 to bond 26, not a place any franchise wants to be.
Precisely! Everyone was ready for a new Bond in film 25 yet EON unimaginative as usual threw money at Craig to come back. Now supposedly Babz is plotting and scheming with a two part story line to entice him back again when all the audience wants to do is move on.
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acid wrote:Yeah that's true, I'd gladly wave goodbye to the Craigverse :Happy: but we'd really need the media and fans to see that it was the end of just his timeline and not the classic Bond's. Once they kill Bond, it's done, they've crossed that boundary, so they might be more likely to try that stunt again with future actors.

By the way, in November Man when he's going through the files of the agents that were killed, am I remembering right that one of the photos is Daniel Craig?

About the only way of showing Bond's death that I'd consider acceptable would be a sort of flash-forward to a very elderly Bond far in the future, dragged out of retirement for some great cause. I don't think that sort of thing has any place in a Bond movie though - it would be more at home in a Simpson's Halloween special!
November man was a direct swipe at the bond franchise including using the qos actress and story for the most part both to better effect. But it never caught on and in 2012 Brosnan got his check for promoting the 50th anniversary decides to suck to the series and go with the PR flow.
Hey, I found this today on IMDB:
Daniel Craig was originally cast to play Devereaux, but Director Roger Donaldson had to re-cast at the last minute, due to Craig's other commitments.
Is that someone trolling? I couldn't find anything to back it up when I search online.
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acid wrote:
Omega wrote:
acid wrote:Yeah that's true, I'd gladly wave goodbye to the Craigverse :Happy: but we'd really need the media and fans to see that it was the end of just his timeline and not the classic Bond's. Once they kill Bond, it's done, they've crossed that boundary, so they might be more likely to try that stunt again with future actors.

By the way, in November Man when he's going through the files of the agents that were killed, am I remembering right that one of the photos is Daniel Craig?

About the only way of showing Bond's death that I'd consider acceptable would be a sort of flash-forward to a very elderly Bond far in the future, dragged out of retirement for some great cause. I don't think that sort of thing has any place in a Bond movie though - it would be more at home in a Simpson's Halloween special!
November man was a direct swipe at the bond franchise including using the qos actress and story for the most part both to better effect. But it never caught on and in 2012 Brosnan got his check for promoting the 50th anniversary decides to suck to the series and go with the PR flow.
Hey, I found this today on IMDB:
Daniel Craig was originally cast to play Devereaux, but Director Roger Donaldson had to re-cast at the last minute, due to Craig's other commitments.
Is that someone trolling? I couldn't find anything to back it up when I search online.
trolling. Brosnan own the rights to the series.


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dirtybenny wrote: Precisely! Everyone was ready for a new Bond in film 25 yet EON unimaginative as usual threw money at Craig to come back. Now supposedly Babz is plotting and scheming with a two part story line to entice him back again when all the audience wants to do is move on.
I had a look at the MI6 Bond forum. Even those former Craig Kool Aiders want some regular Bond movies made with a new actor.
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bjmdds wrote:[Aidan Turner IS everything Bond should be :!: His looks cross that of Dalton and Brosnan and is the perfect age and women love him too as men will, if he ever gets the chance to portray Bond.
I don't know, BJ. I don't see any of these Brosnan, Dalton, Connery aspects in him. He's way too boyish for me. I want an actor - like Moore and Brosnan - who not only look the part, but embody the character in a way the public identifies them as the full-time secret agent. Turner is pretty much like Craig in his casual and personal life. Hardly shaves, dresses like a regular joe in his jeans and bad boy leather jackets, sports long hair, I'd say this is what a modern day Kamran Shah looks like, not Bond. His performance in And Then There Were None (the most abysmal adaptation of Christie's novel to date), while impressive, wasn't anything special.

Now, I'm not disputing the fact that he can be a good Bond, but right now, from all I've seen him in, I don't see him being Bond, at all. Years ago I was dead against Cavill. But, now I'm all for him. Perhaps Turner needs to change his image and start looking more like Bond for me to start seriously considering him.
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I think Turner was ice glaze perfection in ATTWN. But I do agree that in real life he doesn't invoke an image of Bond on most occasions. I've seen him in a suit, without a beard and with a Bond haircut when he was attending some fashion show. His Bond level then was 11/10. I think that aside from Cavill, actors that carry that Bond image the most in real life are Hiddleston and Ellis. I remember one Ellis interview where he handled himself with so much class the two female journalists looked like they were going to jump on him any second.
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I personally don't see why the actor playing Bond has to be "on duty" all the time. Nobody expects, say, Mark Hamill to dress in Jedi robes when he's not filming.

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Kristatos wrote:I personally don't see why the actor playing Bond has to be "on duty" all the time. Nobody expects, say, Mark Hamill to dress in Jedi robes when he's not filming.

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I think part of Bond phenomenon is people's way of blending Bond image with the actor in everyday life. I remember Dalton once said people were always surprised when they found out he didn't drive Aston Martin in real life as well. Of course, the fact Turner doesn't dress like Bond most days doesn't diminish the fact that he has serious potential to be a terrific Bond. As showcased in ATTWN.
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Bond and Star Wars are not the same thing, however.

Star Wars is a costume party for nerds (no offense).

Bond is a lifestyle.
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I think it just depends what sort of an actor they are. For Bond, I think they need to be able to show a certain amount of charisma and sophistication. If someone can't ever be charming in everyday life, they probably won't be able to act it convincingly. For our favorite Bonds, that wasn't really a problem. Basically, if the actor is a one trick pony that really plays themselves all the time, then they'll need to be naturally Bond-like.
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I dunno, I think Tim and Pierce were more casual offscreen, and of course George was a long- haired hippy at the time. Sean and Roger were the only ones who basically played themselves.

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Actors who play themselves are possibly the best type to play Bond.
I agree Dalton seems more casual in real life,as does Brosnan... only sometimes though. I always felt he was at his most natural when playing Bond and Crown.Sometimes it felt weird to see him in a role that doesn't have at least some similarities with the two characters mentioned above.
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Brosnan is seen wearing suits or at least smart casual clothes (like blazers and linen pants/dress pants) far more often than wearing completely casual.
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John P. Drake wrote:Brosnan is seen wearing suits or at least smart casual clothes (like blazers and linen pants/dress pants) far more often than wearing completely casual.
Good choices, I have to say. Smart casual clothes(instead of a completely casual look) are a much better choice for men of 40 and up I'd say. But I'd say seeming casual doesn't apply only to clothes but behaviour as well. Sometimes I get the feeling Brosnan switches his Bond mask on and off as he pleases.
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Rant: 46 Cash King Craig

I’ve seen many a pundit point to the box office take of Craig’s films as evidence of his greatness in the role. Far too many of whom thrust forward the unadjusted figures proclaiming him the “Highest Grossing Bond of all time and therefore the best!” And that statement is true; in that Craig is the highest grossing Bond by virtue of the fact he is the most recent Bond. In much the same way the Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of a 2018 Honda Civic is higher than the 1964 MSRP of an Aston Martin DB5. Falling further down this rabbit hole you would have to believe Die Another Day (that most horrid of Bond films) is the 6th best Bond film of all time, since it holds that position on the box office list!

A saner person would point to the adjusted grosses to make their point, yet there are quite a few variables to confuse matters. True adjusted figures are hard to come by and don’t tell the whole story, for example for the first 30 years of Bond’s cinematic history half the world was off limits. Eastern Europe was firmly entrenched behind the iron curtain along with Russia and China, not to mention Africa, South America and India were struggling with abject poverty. This left Great Britain, Western Europe, Australia, The U.S. and Canada as Bond’s only major markets. If Box Office Mojo is to be believed, film markets exploded for Bond between Die Another Day (28 countries) and Casino Royale (78 countries). Because of all this fluctuation the most direct comparison is to review one country’s adjusted gross where Bond has been viewed from the beginning. I wanted to use Great Britain, as that is the birthplace of the phenomenon, however my internet search skills are lacking and the U.S. numbers are the lowest hanging fruit. When looking at the adjusted numbers from the U.S. box office Craig’s films (except Skyfall) drop to middle of the pack 10th, 13th and 14th in chronological order. Die Another Day (that most despicable of films) drops from 5th to an abysmal 6th still ranking above all of Craig’s films save Skyfall!

I know what you’re screaming, “You ignorant jerk, you’re just massaging the numbers to fit your narrative!” And I say YES! Yes I am, because you see these numbers can be manipulated to say whatever you d**n well please. That brings me to the point of this article, which is to say it is idiotic to use how much money a film makes as a foundation for what makes it a great film! Quick, what’s the greatest film of all time? Citizen Kane? The Godfather? Goodfellas? Pulp Fiction? Well whatever you said it was wrong, at least it is if we’re using box office take as a yard stick. No, according to the box office the best film ever made was Avatar, yes Avatar, remember Avatar, me neither. From what I heard it’s basically Dances with Wolves in space. Of course Avatar made all that money because it was (and perhaps still is) a technological wonder in the visual art of 3D filmmaking, however not much else. When you couple that visual extravaganza which is quite pointless outside the big screen with the exorbitant cost of viewing a film in IMAX you get your huge payout.

Well what about the adjusted grosses? Ok, adjusting for inflation the best movie ever is Gone With the Wind, followed by Star Wars, ok that’s a bit better, but a little further down it starts to fall apart again with Titanic number five, is that soppy melodrama really the 5th best film ever made? Number eleven is Star Wars the Force Awakens, is that the second best Star Wars film of all time? No, of course not and that is the folly of chasing the box office.

Going back to my tortured automotive analogy, this time replacing the Honda for a 2012 Aston Martin DB9 to represent Skyfall (The highest grossing film) and the aforementioned 1964 DB5 will stand in for Goldfinger (The film held in the highest regard). The DB9 retailed for $196,160 USD in 2012 compared to the DB5 which sold for $12,775 USD in 1964. Adjusted for inflation to 2018 numbers the prices jump to $215,427 for the DB9 and $103,908 for the DB5. So like the films the newer DB9 sold for more when released, however if one were to lay down their hard earned money for one now, one would just have to pay out $82,077 (according to Kelly Blue Book), compared to $1,157,700 for the DB5 (NADA Guides).

Like Skyfall the DB9 is mass produced, faster, sleeker, louder and newer. The DB5 like Goldfinger is a handcrafted bespoke classic which has stood the test of time. Once something newer came along the DB9 devalued just as Craig’s films including Skyfall will lose luster once a new actor is cast, don’t believe me ask Pierce Brosnan, the “best Bond since Connery” at least he was until 2006. Will the DB9 go up in value over time? Perhaps, but I doubt it’ll ever reach the status of a DB5. And Skyfall like that DB9 may hold a place in the pantheon of Bond, however it will never hold a candle to the classics.
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Wow! So good, put a lot of the things I’ve been thinking about in a clear concise rant. Thumbs high !



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