The World Is Not Enough

[Veronica]

Again, I don't think you can blame the reviews. Films with much worse reviews have done well at the box office {*cough*Fifty Shades of Grey*cough*). The problem was that hardly anybody knew it existed thanks to a crap marketing campaign. And who the hell thought it was a good idea to release in on only 12 screens in Pierce's home territory, the UK and Ireland? You and other DCINBers did our best to promote it, but we're just a small community on the internet. The film marked Pierce's return to the spy genre - a great marketing campaign would have persuaded great swathes of the cinemagoing public that there was nothing in the world that they wanted to see more than this.

I think our best hope now would be if Matthew Vaughn could be persuaded to give him a role in Kingsman 2. A substantial role, not just a cameo (though his cameo in The World's End seemed very well-received.)

You are totally right.The movie needed a great marketing campaign.I mean,look what it did with Skyfall.I think that people in Amzone forest knew about Skyfall.And,yeah 50 Shades is another great example.I mean,people were literally laughing at acting of the leads and yet it's No.1 movie in the world.

[Veronica]

I agree,NM was a great opportunity,I mean the title is incredibly cool!I don't think it deserves the bad reviews it got,it's a decent movie but it could have been a lot better.He deserves a great thriller/spy movie that would get great reviews and be a success.
here are Brosnan's top 10 movies according RT users' scores:
1. GoldenEye -- 83%
2. Evelyn -- 78%
3. The Thomas Crown Affair -- 77%
4. Mrs. Doubtfire -- 76%
5. The Ghost Writer -- 70%
6. Love Affair -- 69%
7. Remember Me -- 68%
8. Mister Johnson -- 68%
9. Mamma Mia! -- 66%
10. The Matador -- 66% according to this only 5 of his movies have 70% or higher rating and in "Mrs.Doubtfire" and "The Ghost Writer" he had small roles.Where are "After the Sunset" and "The Tailor of Panama"??And TND and TWINE definitely deserve higher ratings!Wow,definitely doesn't get the recognition he deserves.Also,I think that "Married life" was also pretty good.

Is it just me or is GE by far the most overrated of everything he has ever done in his entire career?

I don't think we can compare GE to any other non-Bond movies he ever done.Bond is a genre for itself.James Bond is a phenomenon and GE reinvented it.People were doubting that James Bond could survive in a post Cold War time for whatever reason and GE proofed them wrong.It was everything or nothing.None of the Bond movies since Moonraker were a huge success,not to mention LTK completely flopped on the boy office.So,I don't think GE is overrated in any sense.

We're talking Pierce's work overall here. We were supposed to get his 5th as proper send-off to his Bond career, but we didn't. But hey he still has his career, right? And there's so much he can do with the action realm. If not a 5th Bond to showcase his darker side like we wanted, we can only hope for not just a really great action film from him also a really great action film that would give him a new beginning. NM may have revealed Pierce's intention for his Bonds, but because of those bad reviews, we didn't get a new beginning from Pierce. My point is that GE is not only his only classic Bond but also his last great actioner (or even his best work overall) if we're talking about general public's viewpoint of Pierce's entire work onscreen.

I think that general public thinks about Bond movies first and as GoldenEye is his best Bond I think it's somehow reasonable that it would have the highest rating.I'm not saying that it's his best work overall,it's his best Bond movie."The Tailor of Panama","After the Sunset" deserve more recognition.Also,I don't know why "The Love Punch" didn't get better critics.I think it's a great comedy.

[Veronica]

And yes we were supposed to get the fifth one. That should have been on grand adventure a "thank you" for Brosnan. That didn't happen because Queen Babs went crazy for Craig for whatever reason. I mean seriously. To fire a man who made Bond relevant again. Disgraceful. Just so she can turn Bond into Bourne..

[Kristatos]

I think it should have been the non-reboot version of Casino Royale that was originally planned. If DAD was Brosnan's Moonraker, this could have been his FYEO. But then Batman Begins happened, and they felt obliged to jump on the reboot bandwagon, which meant a new actor. A shame, as I think a Brosnan CR could have seen him leave the series with the same amount of respect as an actor that he later received for films like The Matador and The Ghost Writer.

[Veronica]

I think it should have been the non-reboot version of Casino Royale that was originally planned. If DAD was Brosnan's Moonraker, this could have been his FYEO. But then Batman Begins happened, and they felt obliged to jump on the reboot bandwagon, which meant a new actor. A shame, as I think a Brosnan CR could have seen him leave the series with the same amount of respect as an actor that he later received for films like The Matador and The Ghost Writer.

My thoughts exactly.Hey,they even told Pierce he's going to do maybe even two Bonds.Pierce told in an interview how he and Tarantino discussed doing Casino Royale and how Tarantino got drunk and started shouting how Pierce is the best,the only Bond.But then when he heard that Pierce won't be back he didn't wanna do it anymore.I think CR with Pierce would be way way WAY WAY margially better.Pierce would bring the style,sophistication and he definitely has that "international man of mystery" thing.Of course,it would be a good thing for Tarantino to actually know how to make a good poker game because the one that I watched was the most amateur thing ever.And don't get me started on the love story...If they would do a love story I think Tarantino would pull that out more subtly and better in a non-chees soap opera like way that Campbell did.
That would be a proper "goodbye" for Pierce.One grand last adventure...And it would actually be believeable that a beautiful woman like Mrs.Dimitrios(played by Caterina Murino) would fall for Bond in a blink of an eye.

[Veronica]

You know,I just think people don't really get TWINE.I mean I read somewhere,that his movie has a lame villian Renard.Don't you get Renard wasn't really a villian here?I think that's actually a great twist.Heck,a brilliant one.Not many Bond movies can brag with twists because usually there aren't one.It's like some people disgard this one because of one single thing-and I think we all know who I'm talking about here.But if we forget the ending and the whole Jones thing I think this is one hell of a movie.The characters are complicated,Brosnan gives his best performance(although he was great in every movie).opening scene is terrific and I also like the themes song.The moment when he kills Elektra is hand down one of the most powerful moments ever.And the moment after that-those 5 seconds and look on M's face when she connets the dots made a greater affect on me than 30 minutes soap-opera-esque Vesper and Bond thing in CR.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

I think Casino Royale should have been the The Living Daylights to Die Another Day's, A View To A Kill. It should have brought the series back down to earth, with a new Bond. No reboot, no Brosnan and especially no Craig.

[Count_Lippe]

I don't think Brosnan ever was as good as Bond as he could have been, I wrote a post about this years ago.

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It's funny really, Brosnan should have been the ideal Bond.

He had the looks, elegance, was a decent actor, was into action, he rode a motorcycle for instance. He even had personal tragedy in his own life to relate to.

But still to me he didn't really do the part justice. He was better in other films, Thomas Crown and The Fourth Protocol for example.

Probably because his Bond movies never really felt fresh and original, just the same old recycling of tired clichés. Too bad.

[Veronica]

I don't think Brosnan ever was as good as Bond as he could have been, I wrote a post about this years ago.

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It's funny really, Brosnan should have been the ideal Bond.

He had the looks, elegance, was a decent actor, was into action, he rode a motorcycle for instance. He even had personal tragedy in his own life to relate to.

But still to me he didn't really do the part justice. He was better in other films, Thomas Crown and The Fourth Protocol for example.

Probably because his Bond movies never really felt fresh and original, just the same old recycling of tired clichés. Too bad.

His movies should have been better,I agree.For example TND should have more plot and less action and the only thing I would throw from TWINE is Christmas.DAD is well...suffers from the second half completely.But IMO,Brosnan truly was,is,will be James Bond.To me anyway.He is truly the complete Bond the ideal one.Look-wise I think I don't have to say much.He is truly perfect for the role and otherwise.Someone wrote somewhere how there was something about Brosnan's Bond that hasn't really been seen since Connery,I agree.He just had this suave confidence,this air of coolness,this grace.There are really only a few actors I can think of that have this "something" that instantly draws you in.This charisma.Pierce definitely belongs to that group.He had the suave confidence of Connery.He had this air of coolnes,this incredible grace in a "Bond-like" way.When I think of Bond I immediately think of Brosnan.He just had it all.When I want to analyze every actor's interpretation of Bond I don't analyze the movies they were in.I analyze their interpretation.Brosnan Bond movies may not have been perfect(but then,nothing is perfect) but his interpretation was definitive for me.Moore for example was completely hilarious and cool in this "aristocratic" like way.Not believeable as a spy but totally fun.I smile every time I see the man on the screen.But he has only 2 movies that are actually worth watching several times.the others all somehow...just not that good but they are at the very least entertaining(and silly).That's what Bond movies should be.They should be entertaining and be an escapism.These Craig fans really get on my nerves with "Craig is more realistic" comment.Do they really think that any spy does "Home Alone" stuff to kill the enemy?Lord.If they wanna watch what are spies IRL then go watch "Tinker,Tailor,Solgier,Spy".Bond is this glamourized version of a spy.He's the reason why most of 10 year old boys(at least before Craig time) were saying they wanted to be James Bond.He's not (enitrely) realistic.A phrase "every man wants be him and every woman wants to be with him" proves that.

[Kristatos]

One Craigski on another group I used to frequent actually said that The Spy Who Came In From The Cold was his idea of the ideal Bond film. No wonder he loved Casino Royale (the most recent Bond film at the time) so much, though he did criticise it for having too much humour. Life and soul of the party, that one.

[Count_Lippe]

Veronica, try not to post a wall of text when you reply, keep your text in sections, it's nicer to read that way.

[FormerBondFan]

I agree,NM was a great opportunity,I mean the title is incredibly cool!I don't think it deserves the bad reviews it got,it's a decent movie but it could have been a lot better.He deserves a great thriller/spy movie that would get great reviews and be a success.
here are Brosnan's top 10 movies according RT users' scores:
1. GoldenEye -- 83%
2. Evelyn -- 78%
3. The Thomas Crown Affair -- 77%
4. Mrs. Doubtfire -- 76%
5. The Ghost Writer -- 70%
6. Love Affair -- 69%
7. Remember Me -- 68%
8. Mister Johnson -- 68%
9. Mamma Mia! -- 66%
10. The Matador -- 66% according to this only 5 of his movies have 70% or higher rating and in "Mrs.Doubtfire" and "The Ghost Writer" he had small roles.Where are "After the Sunset" and "The Tailor of Panama"??And TND and TWINE definitely deserve higher ratings!Wow,definitely doesn't get the recognition he deserves.Also,I think that "Married life" was also pretty good.

Is it just me or is GE by far the most overrated of everything he has ever done in his entire career?

I don't think we can compare GE to any other non-Bond movies he ever done.Bond is a genre for itself.James Bond is a phenomenon and GE reinvented it.People were doubting that James Bond could survive in a post Cold War time for whatever reason and GE proofed them wrong.It was everything or nothing.None of the Bond movies since Moonraker were a huge success,not to mention LTK completely flopped on the boy office.So,I don't think GE is overrated in any sense.

We're talking Pierce's work overall here. We were supposed to get his 5th as proper send-off to his Bond career, but we didn't. But hey he still has his career, right? And there's so much he can do with the action realm. If not a 5th Bond to showcase his darker side like we wanted, we can only hope for not just a really great action film from him also a really great action film that would give him a new beginning. NM may have revealed Pierce's intention for his Bonds, but because of those bad reviews, we didn't get a new beginning from Pierce. My point is that GE is not only his only classic Bond but also his last great actioner (or even his best work overall) if we're talking about general public's viewpoint of Pierce's entire work onscreen.

I think that general public thinks about Bond movies first and as GoldenEye is his best Bond I think it's somehow reasonable that it would have the highest rating.I'm not saying that it's his best work overall,it's his best Bond movie."The Tailor of Panama","After the Sunset" deserve more recognition.Also,I don't know why "The Love Punch" didn't get better critics.I think it's a great comedy.

I think the public sees GE as not only as Pierce's best Bond film but his best action film (or even best work in his entire career).

[Veronica]

One Craigski on another group I used to frequent actually said that The Spy Who Came In From The Cold was his idea of the ideal Bond film. No wonder he loved Casino Royale (the most recent Bond film at the time) so much, though he did criticise it for having too much humour. Life and soul of the party, that one.

Casino Royale having too much humor?W.H.A.T.? I don't think CR and humor can go in the same sentence.

[Kristatos]

Casino Royale having too much humor?W.H.A.T.? I don't think CR and humor can go in the same sentence.

This guy had absolutely no sense of humour himself, and thought that a Bond film should be completely devoid of humour, presumably so he could watch it in the cinema without being subjected to the sound of other people's laughter. He insisted that a humourless Bond would be truer to Fleming, and continued to do so no matter how many examples of humour in Fleming's books people presented as evidence to the contrary.

[Veronica]

Casino Royale having too much humor?W.H.A.T.? I don't think CR and humor can go in the same sentence.

This guy had absolutely no sense of humour himself, and thought that a Bond film should be completely devoid of humour, presumably so he could watch it in the cinema without being subjected to the sound of other people's laughter. He insisted that a humourless Bond would be truer to Fleming, and continued to do so no matter how many examples of humour in Fleming's books people presented as evidence to the contrary.

That's a thing that a supporters of "Craig is closest to Fleming's Bond" would say,I'm sure.By by their coments I would say they don't know how book looks like.

[Veronica]

But the way,did anyone here watch "The Fourth Protocol" with Pierce?If yes,what's the movie like?

[Kristatos]

But the way,did anyone here watch "The Fourth Protocol" with Pierce?If yes,what's the movie like?

I've seen it, but it was a very long time ago. Can't really remember much about it, to be honest.

[Veronica]

What about Evelyn?I'm curious.

[FormerBondFan]

What about Evelyn?I'm curious.

I haven't seen it, but I read good things about it. And like everything he did after GE, Evelyn fell in the category of either getting not so good reviews or not getting the recognition they deserves.

[Veronica]

What about Evelyn?I'm curious.

I haven't seen it, but I read good things about it. And like everything he did after GE, Evelyn fell in the category of either getting not so good reviews or not getting the recognition they deserves.

This one belongs in the latter category."Evelyn" is actually Pierce's second best rated movie after GoldenEye.It went under the radar.This is what someone wrote on imDb:"
It is, indeed, fascinating to witness Mr Brosnan walking that thin line on which he is totally out of his

famous Alter Ego, in a way you are not even reminded of it, yet without any touch of overreacting."

Good to know.I'll watch it as soon as possible.