Which is best: TND or TWINE

Post by **Omega** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:09 am

Richards was awful for some reason she was considered a good get. Hatcher in Tnd was another I wonder about but she is d**n cute . Tnd twine dad were some of the few times bonds female costar audience was considered. Imo in each of those movies the female stars popularity in the usa was a factor

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Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:38 pm

Omega wrote:Richards was awful for some reason she was considered a good get. Hatcher in Tnd was another I wonder about but she is d**n cute . Tnd twine dad were some of the few times bonds female costar audience was considered. Imo in each of those movies the female stars popularity in the usa was a factor

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Wasn't Monica Belucci considered for the role of Paris in TND?She,IMO,would have been much better.Way more attractive,really beautiful and has that italian charm.She would be great.HatCher,on the other hand,wasn't much better than Richards in the terms of acting.And she's neither particulary attractive(IMO).She has that "soap-opera" vibe to her that I just do 't think it's good for a Bond movie.And Halle...oh,lord.How iritating was she in DAD.It's obvious they got her because she was at her peak of fame with Oscar nomination and everything.

Atticus · Post by **Atticus** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:20 pm

Veronica wrote: Wasn't Monica Belucci considered for the role of Paris in TND?She,IMO,would have been much better.Way more attractive,really beautiful and has that italian charm.She would be great.HatCher,on the other hand,wasn't much better than Richards in the terms of acting.And she's neither particulary attractive(IMO).She has that "soap-opera" vibe to her that I just do 't think it's good for a Bond movie.And Halle...oh,lord.How iritating was she in DAD.It's obvious they got her because she was at her peak of fame with Oscar nomination and everything.

I remember an interview where Brosnan said he was hoping Monica Belucci would get the Paris Carver role; and in another report, she was supposedly on the short list. But the powers-that-be opted for Terri Hatcher because, at that time, her photo with the Superman cape was an Internet download hit.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:37 pm

And now Belucci is Daniel Craig girl... why they didn't give her a role is beyond me. Tacher really doesn't seem like a woman who Bond would have some history with. Belucci on the other hand more than fits that mold. She fits it perfectly.

Kiwichris · Post by **Kiwichris** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:31 am

TWINE for me.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:54 pm

P.Brosnan wrote:My favourite would have to be The World Is Not Enough, since it's my second favourite bond-film after Goldeneye.
It has a very interesting characterization of James Bond and of course the wonderful characters of Elektra and Renard, even the return of Valentin Zukowsky. After the fantastic GE and the solid, but a little to much of just a straight action picture, TND, TWINE showed what could be done within a James Bond-film. Why they didn't use this as a starting platform to develop together with Pierce Brosnan for Casino Royale, i will never understand. TWINE shows how a modern and more complex bond-film should be made, without losing the character of James Bond or the uniqueness of being a bond-film.

I agree about everything especially the last sentence.It was more complexed and character driven story but it still felt like a Bond movie.That's why I like it so much.Of course Denise Richards and generally the character of Xmas was fatal mistake. They casted her obviously thinking the movie would go better on American ground but in fact with the critics it did far worse because of it.Most of this movie's reputation is based around Xmas but if you look past that you'll find one of the most intelligently made Bond movies.
I still wonder though,did Richards blackmail someone to get the role. I simply cannot understand for the life of me how can anyone create the brilliant character that Elektra is and cast Richards in any role other than a school cheerleader is beyond me. It's like Apted got stoned at one point..

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:39 pm

ml94 wrote:TND.

Could you say why you prefer it?I am just curious about you opinion.

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:00 pm

Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:TND.
Could you say why you prefer it?I am just curious about you opinion.

Things i dont like in TWINE.

1.BOND HURTS HIMSELF IN MISSION (SHOULDER)
2.ELEKTRA WAS TOO STRONG "BOND GIRL"
3.RENARD WAS TOO BORING MAIN VILLAIN

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:12 pm

ml94 wrote:
Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:TND.
Could you say why you prefer it?I am just curious about you opinion.
Things i dont like in TWINE.

1.BOND HURTS HIMSELF IN MISSION (SHOULDER)
2.ELEKTRA WAS TOO STRONG "BOND GIRL"
3.RENARD WAS TOO BORING MAIN VILLAIN

1.WHY IS THAT A BAD THING?
2.WHAT IS WRONG WITH ELEKTRA BEING STRONG?SHE IS BY FAR THE BEST FEMALE CHARACTER IN THE BOND FRNACHISE.AND SHE'S NOT JUST A BOND GIRL.
3.RENARD IS NOT MAIN VILLIAN.HE DID WHAT HE DID BECAUSE HE FELL FOR ELEKTRA.

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:43 pm

Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:
Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:TND.
Could you say why you prefer it?I am just curious about you opinion.
Things i dont like in TWINE.

1.BOND HURTS HIMSELF IN MISSION (SHOULDER)
2.ELEKTRA WAS TOO STRONG "BOND GIRL"
3.RENARD WAS TOO BORING MAIN VILLAIN

1.WHY IS THAT A BAD THING?
2.WHAT IS WRONG WITH ELEKTRA BEING STRONG?SHE IS BY FAR THE BEST FEMALE CHARACTER IN THE BOND FRNACHISE.AND SHE'S NOT JUST A BOND GIRL.
3.RENARD IS NOT MAIN VILLIAN.HE DID WHAT HE DID BECAUSE HE FELL FOR ELEKTRA.

1.BOND IS SUPERMAN (NEVER HURT HIMSELF)
2.SHE IS "TOO" STRONG
3.RENARD IS JUST WEAK (&BORING)

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:45 pm

Elliot Carver was weak too, but atleast he was FUN.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:11 pm

Well,we'll have to agree to disagree.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:53 am

ml94 wrote:Elliot Carver was weak too, but atleast he was FUN.

Carver was IMO over-the-top and somehow cartoonish but hey since he wasn't in a movie that is memorable as GoldenEye they had to make him somehow memorable.

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:09 am

Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:Elliot Carver was weak too, but atleast he was FUN.
Carver was IMO over-the-top and somehow cartoonish but hey since he wasn't in a movie that is memorable as GoldenEye they had to make him somehow memorable.

I think Bond villain have to be OVER-THE-TOP more or less...

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:18 am

ml94 wrote:
Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:Elliot Carver was weak too, but atleast he was FUN.
Carver was IMO over-the-top and somehow cartoonish but hey since he wasn't in a movie that is memorable as GoldenEye they had to make him somehow memorable.
I think Bond villain have to be OVER-THE-TOP more or less...

When you look at it just about every villian had some over the top plan.The only movies that were actually quite down-to-earth in terms of plot are FRWL(IMO the best Bond movie,it's absolutely brilliant),For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights(good,but far less memorable).Carver's plan is actually quite good and I like it but when I watched it recently I was somehow underwhelmed.Is this maybe the movie that gets better with each viewing?

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:27 am

Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:
Veronica wrote:
ml94 wrote:Elliot Carver was weak too, but atleast he was FUN.
Carver was IMO over-the-top and somehow cartoonish but hey since he wasn't in a movie that is memorable as GoldenEye they had to make him somehow memorable.
I think Bond villain have to be OVER-THE-TOP more or less...
When you look at it just about every villian had some over the top plan.The only movies that were actually quite down-to-earth in terms of plot are FRWL(IMO the best Bond movie,it's absolutely brilliant),For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights(good,but far less memorable).Carver's plan is actually quite good and I like it but when I watched it recently I was somehow underwhelmed.Is this maybe the movie that gets better with each viewing?

FRWL is solid BOND movie...for me, FYEO is Moores best & TLD is Daltons best.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:37 am

FYEO is Moore's best,I agree but then again that's not saying much,aside this one and TSWLM who works despite having "Moonraker" plot every other movie is just...not worth repeating viewings.They are silly and fun but are just that.I think that TMWTGG had a huge potential.World's greatest assassin wants to go hunt James Bond?Brilliant.Sadly the rest of the movie just seems silly and quite unnecessary.I agree that TLD is Dalton's best,but heyhe made just two movies.It has some nice touches but the plot isn't the clearest thing in the movie and the Bond girl is far too girlish although it seems sweet during the movie.Again,these are good movies IMO but I just don't find them to be that memorable.FRWL on the other hand has great down-to-earth plot and is memorable so...I think it's the best Bond movie.Yes,better than Goldfinger.

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:58 am

Veronica wrote:FYEO is Moore's best,I agree but then again that's not saying much,aside this one and TSWLM who works despite having "Moonraker" plot every other movie is just...not worth repeating viewings.They are silly and fun but are just that.I think that TMWTGG had a huge potential.World's greatest assassin wants to go hunt James Bond?Brilliant.Sadly the rest of the movie just seems silly and quite unnecessary.I agree that TLD is Dalton's best,but heyhe made just two movies.It has some nice touches but the plot isn't the clearest thing in the movie and the Bond girl is far too girlish although it seems sweet during the movie.Again,these are good movies IMO but I just don't find them to be that memorable.FRWL on the other hand has great down-to-earth plot and is memorable so...I think it's the best Bond movie.Yes,better than Goldfinger.

TSWLM & TMWTGG are UNDERRATED too...my top 5 BOND movies:

1.GE
2.GF
3.FYEO
4.TLD
5.TND

ml94 · Post by **ml94** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:05 am

Veronica wrote:FYEO is Moore's best,I agree but then again that's not saying much,aside this one and TSWLM who works despite having "Moonraker" plot every other movie is just...not worth repeating viewings.They are silly and fun but are just that.I think that TMWTGG had a huge potential.World's greatest assassin wants to go hunt James Bond?Brilliant.Sadly the rest of the movie just seems silly and quite unnecessary.I agree that TLD is Dalton's best,but heyhe made just two movies.It has some nice touches but the plot isn't the clearest thing in the movie and the Bond girl is far too girlish although it seems sweet during the movie.Again,these are good movies IMO but I just don't find them to be that memorable.FRWL on the other hand has great down-to-earth plot and is memorable so...I think it's the best Bond movie.Yes,better than Goldfinger.

Your top 5 Bond movies?

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