Is Quantum Of Solace the worst ever James Bond film?

[John Drake]

So I guess the answer is "No". Close the thread.

You don't get to give the orders here, sunshine. I think a case can be made for calling QOS the worst ever Bond film. The columnist Simon Hoggart in The Observer many years back ran a readers' poll to find the worst songs of all time. He specifically excluded cheesy novelty songs, because he felt that to be truly bad, a song had to have pretensions beyond being mindless entertainment for the masses. The pompous, bloated Bohemian Rhapsody, a song whose only saving grace is that it inadvertantly gave us punk by proving to the world's musicians that Something Must be Done, ended up being voted the most hated song of all time. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. The likes of Moonraker and Octopussy may be bad Bond films, but they're The Birdie Song in this analogy. QOS, and to a lesser extent CR, are BoCrap.

And it's really amusing that Babs, Craig & the posters at the Daniel Craig fansites like MI6 are trying to take this rubbish seriously. They were so full of it when QoS was gearing up to enter production.

[The Sweeney]

So I guess the answer is "No". Close the thread.

You don't get to give the orders here, sunshine. I think a case can be made for calling QOS the worst ever Bond film. The columnist Simon Hoggart in The Observer many years back ran a readers' poll to find the worst songs of all time. He specifically excluded cheesy novelty songs, because he felt that to be truly bad, a song had to have pretensions beyond being mindless entertainment for the masses. The pompous, bloated Bohemian Rhapsody, a song whose only saving grace is that it inadvertantly gave us punk by proving to the world's musicians that Something Must be Done, ended up being voted the most hated song of all time. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. The likes of Moonraker and Octopussy may be bad Bond films, but they're The Birdie Song in this analogy. QOS, and to a lesser extent CR, are BoCrap.

I wouldn't have thought CR would hit many `worst Bond ever' lists, Kris. Judging by the overwhelming praise it received, BAFTA nominations, massive BO takings, etc. there is a strong case for CR to be on the `best Bond ever' lists though.

QoS had the gross misfortune of coming off the back of this. If it had come off the back of DAD, I doubt it would have received as many harsh reviews as what it did.

Whether you guys can bring yourselves to accept this or not, CR was a hard act to follow in many reviewers eyes....

[Kristatos]

I wouldn't have thought CR would hit many `worst Bond ever' lists, Kris. Judging by the overwhelming praise it received, BAFTA nominations, massive BO takings, etc. there is a strong case for CR to be on the `best Bond ever' lists though.

Well, to continue the music analogy, there was a time when Sgt. Pepper being voted the worst album of all time would have been unthinkable. But it happened, in an NME poll some years back..

[The Sweeney]

I wouldn't have thought CR would hit many `worst Bond ever' lists, Kris. Judging by the overwhelming praise it received, BAFTA nominations, massive BO takings, etc. there is a strong case for CR to be on the `best Bond ever' lists though.

Well, to continue the music analogy, there was a time when Sgt. Pepper being voted the worst album of all time would have been unthinkable. But it happened, in an NME poll some years back..

True. Trends change. There could also be a case for QoS to reach a cult status following like OHMSS though, in years to come, once the dust settles (I seriously doubt it though).

[wrenchhands]

So I guess the answer is "No". Close the thread.

You don't get to give the orders here, sunshine. I think a case can be made for calling QOS the worst ever Bond film. The columnist Simon Hoggart in The Observer many years back ran a readers' poll to find the worst songs of all time. He specifically excluded cheesy novelty songs, because he felt that to be truly bad, a song had to have pretensions beyond being mindless entertainment for the masses. The pompous, bloated Bohemian Rhapsody, a song whose only saving grace is that it inadvertantly gave us punk by proving to the world's musicians that Something Must be Done, ended up being voted the most hated song of all time. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. The likes of Moonraker and Octopussy may be bad Bond films, but they're The Birdie Song in this analogy. QOS, and to a lesser extent CR, are BoCrap.

What can I say, I've gone rogue like my best friend's fiancee has been killed and his legs eaten by sharks...

Anyways, to me, excluding DaD, AVTAK and Moonraper is like saying "Rank the worst Bond movie, except for the bad ones". That's not fair. I see what you are saying, but I don't agree with your methdology.

As for Bohemian Rhapsody... I grew up on Wayne's World and love that song. Also, I think stuff like "tales from topographic oceans" really helped forge punk, the Ramones were already playing when Bohemian came out. Oh, and I think "WE Built this city' by Starship got voted "worst song" recently.

Oh, and you guys call it "The birdie song"? We call it "the chicken dance".

[wrenchhands]

So I guess the answer is "No". Close the thread.

The answer is "yes" if our poll is anything to go by!

Many Craig as Bond/Casino Royale fans have honestly stated that QOS was a big disappointment. But many people are still trying to prop it up. I think it will be regarded as the worst Bond film in the future.

A View To a Kill has some cult/camp value with Christopher Walken, Grace Jones. Patrick MacNee, John Barry etc. It's entertaining, rewatchable and fun because it is a Cubby Broccoli effort. QOS has no redeeming features at all. It is badly made, tedious po-faced rubbish. It makes (the strangely similar) On Deadly Ground look like a masterpiece.

QOS may be one of those films that can be enjoyed as a "it's so bad that it is good" way in the future.

I mean, I think QOS isn't the best Bond, but that doesn't make it the worst. Being not as good as CR is as much a CR compliment as it is a QOS diss. In this sense, QOS is like You Only Live Twice, or License to Kill, or Tommorow Never Dies. Not the worst, just not that great.

[The Sweeney]

I mean, I think QOS isn't the best Bond, but that doesn't make it the worst. Being not as good as CR is as much a CR compliment as it is a QOS diss. In this sense, QOS is like You Only Live Twice, or License to Kill, or Tommorow Never Dies. Not the worst, just not that great.

I agree. It's nowhere near as bad as the Brosnan films, or the majority of Moore flicks. I'd also rate it higher than TB, YOLT and DAF too.

[LilleOSC]

I agree. It's nowhere near as bad as the Brosnan films, or the majority of Moore flicks.

Which Bond actor do you like besides Craig? Connery? Dalton? Lazenby?

[wrenchhands]

Scene: James Bond is dressed as a clown. He kicks a cop in the balls. That's Roger Moore in a heartbeat.

BTW, for all you "tall and dark" types, Moore looks almost reddish brunette, some might say a dark strawberry blonde.

And you still dare say Craig is the worst and his films are the worst?

How many shots of old man Moore in front of a poor blue screen/matte do we need?

[katied]

Eh,the obviously fake backgrounds in the Connery films are pretty obvious.But the quality of those, save for DAF,is pretty good.Unlike Moore's Bond films which were hit or miss, at best.

[The Sweeney]

I agree. It's nowhere near as bad as the Brosnan films, or the majority of Moore flicks.

Which Bond actor do you like besides Craig? Connery? Dalton? Lazenby?

I like Connery and Dalton. Moore I can tolerate. Lazenby I don't mind, but only because OHMSS is so d**n good!

[007]

And you still dare say Craig is the worst?

Yes.

[007]

To be fair here is list of Bond films I think are worse than QoS:




Erm...




Let me see now...




Nope. Unless Enter The Ninja with Franco Nero was a part of the James Bond series I'm afraid I've drawn a blank.

[wrenchhands]

Again:



and



Clown Bond and Strawberry Bond.

But, nope, Daniel Craig is the worse and QoS is the worst.

[007]

I think it's a fair point to say that Moore made a couple of films too many but remember he was hired in 1972. If we're posting photos here's a couple.

[katied]

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Craig's got a "don't f with me" stare going there(it rhymes!)..as if

[wrenchhands]

[LilleOSC]

BTW, for all you "tall and dark" types, Moore looks almost reddish brunette, some might say a dark strawberry blonde.

Well. It did look pretty red in some films, but in others it looked pretty brown:

From The Man With The Golden Gun^

Moore's appearance does fall more inline with Fleming's description of Bond as having movie start looks. Having said that, I agree with you that Octopussy was terrible, wrenchhands. Is smoking too controversial in films and the media these days to ever return in a Bond film? The only movie I can remember Bond smoking a cigarette was in Dr. No. Why did they change Bond smoking cigs to cigars with Moore?

[wrenchhands]

Well, in truth, if they showed Bond smoking they should show him winded or hawking up phlegm after bedding a lady.

[carl stromberg]

So now, even those who are short and are not conventionallly handsome can be Bond, just as long as they undertake an intensive bodybuilding routine? Is that all some people look for in a Bond: big muscles?

I think James Bond is a bit more than that. Which is why Roger Moore was one of the Ian Fleming's original choices for Bond.

Do you not like Roger's Bond films Wrenchhands?