The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

"Asking audiences to turn out for the Spider-Man origin story just 10 years after the original did such a memorable job with it was always a risky proposition. Eventually realizing this, Sony's marketing team seems to have ditched the "Untold Story" aspect of the campaign, and instead have focused on a tagline that ties in with the title ("Prepare To Be Amazed"). There's also a new villain (The Lizard) and a new pair of attractive, likeable leads (Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone), so the movie looks different enough to overcome reboot-itis initially. Unfortunately, it's not likely to hold up well in the long-run: it's way too close to the original Spider-Man to turn out good word-of-mouth, and The Dark Knight Rises should kill it completely by its third weekend." Boxofficemojo review. I said this exact thing the other day. Pascal is one grade "A" feminist loser at Sony who ruined the Spiderman legacy with a stooge now in the role, and she and the vegetable at Eon have emasculated and dumbed down Bond into a gargoyle-ish brute as well. I knew Dark Shadows would be a major loser as well, having loved the original soap opera and movies and knowing a campy version was NOT desired whatsover, Depp or no Depp.

[bjmdds]

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[FormerBondFan]

Why is MIB 3 so popular in China, as the number one international box office draw at $75 million?

Bond 23 has to do worse than MIB3, especially here in the US. Otherwise, it'll be a VERY, VERY BAD image.

[FormerBondFan]

BJ, Ice Age 3 will release the week after this Friday. Will you do me a favor and watch this? We need more rebels to kick Bond 23 off the top 10 (both worldwide and here in the US). It'll take more than just Katniss, Avengers, the Bat, vampires, and Bilbo to do all the work. Otherwise, it'll be a VERY, VERY BAD IMAGE if it doesn't.

[Mazer Rackham]

Why is MIB 3 so popular in China, as the number one international box office draw at $75 million?

Remember for China they only bring home maybe 35%.

[bjmdds]

BJ, Ice Age 3 will release the week after this Friday. Will you do me a favor and watch this? We need more rebels to kick Bond 23 off the top 10 (both worldwide and here in the US). It'll take more than just Katniss, Avengers, the Bat, vampires, and Bilbo to do all the work. Otherwise, it'll be a VERY, VERY BAD IMAGE if it doesn't.

I did not see the first two. It will do just fine I am sure.

[bjmdds]

The next Batman actor might be : http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploa ... 66x310.jpg "Joseph Gordon-Levitt as well would be a perfect candidate for the anchoring of a movie franchise, well known enough to get people’s attention, but not prolific enough to have any real blemishes on his record to put people off seeing him in a movie. His star is on the rise and the steady build up of his career could epitomise with him throwing on the cape and mask and moving the Batman movie franchise up another stage.

From a business sense, this idea does agree, Warner Bros and DC can’t afford to let Batman, their most successful comic book franchise, die. Not if they want to push on and generate more success, however rather than rebooting probably the best known superhero origins story they could just add a continuation, with a talented director and Nolan on as producer they could continue this Batman story arch without ticking anybody off.

Though outlandish, this idea could indeed be a true representation of the path The Dark Knight Rises will take. The business of Hollywood will win out and Batman will be around again, either in a reboot or sequel, however there would be a greater sense of accomplishment for both Nolan and for us if he finishes the story of Bruce Wayne, but leaves the door open for someone else to carry on the story of the man DC Comics and Batman have immortalised: The Dark Knight." I am not so thrilled if he becomes the next Batman at the end of TDKR. He is too dainty and not convincing as a vigilante type. What say yee? http://www.shockya.com/news/2012/06/30/ ... ght-rises/ I can see him as Robin with a new Batman more than Batman himself.

[bjmdds]

Synopsis: In this third installment of the latest Batman franchise, a new threat arises in Gotham in the form of Bane, a nearly indestructible new enemy, who joins forces with Talia Al‘Ghul, the deadly new leader of the League of Shadows (a group Batman barely defeated in the first film); and who also happens to be the daughter of the martial arts master who originally trained Bruce Wayne. Further complicating matters, Batman must join forces with an untrustworthy new ally, in the form of Catwoman, if he is to have any chance at saving Gotham from this powerfully dangerous combined new threat. "Now, this is where the complimentary spoiler warning comes into play, because we have word via HeyUGuys that a certain actor is attending the European premiere. Curious? Well, here’s the list of attendees: Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway, Liam Neeson, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Marion Cotillard, Cillian Murphy, Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine.
The one that should jump out at you would be "Cillian Murphy", aka Dr. Crane, The Scarecrow, as seen in Batman Begins and early on in The Dark Knight. Is Murphy just a respected guest of the filmmakers or does he have some small part to play in the epic conclusion? Time will tell!" http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... weapon.jpg

[katied]

I like Joseph Gordon Levitt.If they're thinking of making him the next Batman, he would get my vote.

[FormerBondFan]

BJ, Ice Age 3 will release the week after this Friday. Will you do me a favor and watch this? We need more rebels to kick Bond 23 off the top 10 (both worldwide and here in the US). It'll take more than just Katniss, Avengers, the Bat, vampires, and Bilbo to do all the work. Otherwise, it'll be a VERY, VERY BAD IMAGE if it doesn't.

I did not see the first two. It will do just fine I am sure.

Excuse me, I meant 4 not 3. Just watch the first 3 this week as a substitute for the Spidey reboot. Ice Age 4 will need your help to get into the top 10.

[FormerBondFan]

From a business sense, this idea does agree, Warner Bros and DC can’t afford to let Batman, their most successful comic book franchise, die. Not if they want to push on and generate more success, however rather than rebooting probably the best known superhero origins story they could just add a continuation, with a talented director and Nolan on as producer they could continue this Batman story arch without ticking anybody off.

What about making Dick Grayson as successor to Bruce Wayne as the Bat? Grayson did became the Bat in the comics.

[Kristatos]

Spidey seems to be doing well internationally ahead of its North American and UK opening this Friday. If these results are repeated, it could outgross The Avengers, thus buggering up any hopes I may have had of the pendulum swinging away from dark 'n' gritty and back towards escapism.

[bjmdds]

From a business sense, this idea does agree, Warner Bros and DC can’t afford to let Batman, their most successful comic book franchise, die. Not if they want to push on and generate more success, however rather than rebooting probably the best known superhero origins story they could just add a continuation, with a talented director and Nolan on as producer they could continue this Batman story arch without ticking anybody off.

What about making Dick Grayson as successor to Bruce Wayne as the Bat? Grayson did became the Bat in the comics.

It's headed in that direction and I think the real name of Levitt's character will be known at the end of the film........he may have changed his adopted name from Dick Grayson to his current name in the film........"Dick Grayson: Nolan has said he’d never bring Robin into the series, but he also said he wouldn’t give the third movie a stupid name, and that happened. Kidding. But Dick Grayson – the original Robin – was a member of the Bludhaven Police Department for a time, and has even had several aliases, including Robbie Malone, Freddy Lloyd, and Chester Honeywell. Working against this theory? Grayson’s parents were circus performers, killed by Tony Zucco, a gangster"

[FormerBondFan]

Since TDKR takes place 8 years after TDK, Dick Grayson is still a little kid at this point.

[FormerBondFan]

Spidey seems to be doing well internationally ahead of its North American and UK opening this Friday. If these results are repeated, it could outgross The Avengers, thus buggering up any hopes I may have had of the pendulum swinging away from dark 'n' gritty and back towards escapism.

I may not like the idea of the Spidey reboot, better for it to gross higher than Bond 23 than the other way around, especially here in the US.

[Kristatos]

I may not like the idea of the Spidey reboot, better for it to gross higher than Bond 23 than the other way around, especially here in the US.

Yes, I want both the arachnid and the chiropter* to outgross Bond, but I'd also like clear blue water between them and The Avengers. Considering that The Avengers is on course to gross more in North America alone than QOS did worldwide, I don't think that's a very tall order. Edit: If Skyfall grosses less than QOS, then keeping Craig on as Bond becomes difficult to defend. If Skyfall and The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man all gross less than their predecessors, while The Avengers continues to soar, then it becomes impossible, as there will be no doubt in anyone's mind that audiences are tired of dark 'n'gritty and want escapism again in these gloomy times.

*=spider and bat.

[FormerBondFan]

If Skyfall and The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man all gross less than their predecessors, while The Avengers continues to soar, then it becomes impossible, as there will be no doubt in anyone's mind that audiences are tired of dark 'n'gritty and want escapism again in these gloomy times.

*=spider and bat.

Let's leave the Bat out of this. Even though round 3 is dark and gritty, it is still escapism, especially with the batwing in there. It might beat The Avengers on the opening weekend and the entire run as far as the US box office is concerned. As for the overseas, not a chance. And I don't think it will beat Bilbo's adventures' worldwide numbers either.

[bjmdds]

Spidey seems to be doing well internationally ahead of its North American and UK opening this Friday. If these results are repeated, it could outgross The Avengers, thus buggering up any hopes I may have had of the pendulum swinging away from dark 'n' gritty and back towards escapism.

It's a flop Nick, forget Asia's ideas: http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/article ... ed_reboot/ " Dumbed down, tarted up, and almost shockingly uninspired, it’s the worst superhero movie since “Green Lantern.” Ale, what did I tell you last month about this: "Stone has been given a blond dye job and it seems to have muted her sass; there’s "little chemistry" with Garfield’s Peter, since the star has decided to go the James Dean route of misunderstood twitches and averted looks."

[bjmdds]

"Unfortunately, like most superhero films, The Amazing Spider-Man flirts with camp in its climactic faceoff, a fight on top of a skyscraper with a giant reptile. These are the stories that move us: sometimes it’s Hamlet, and sometimes it’s Godzilla." (Another review) The NY Times says:"All that said, unlike Christopher Nolan’s “Batman Begins,” which reconceptualized the big-screen franchise, ushering it into the noirish reaches familiar from both the initial comic book and Frank Miller’s 1980s “Dark Knight” redo, this “Spider-Man” feels like one of those unnecessary software versions, more Spider-Man 1.5 than Spider-Man reborn. Mr. Webb either didn’t have a vision for a new — nicer or nastier, stranger or more perverse — Spider-Man, or he and the writers (James Vanderbilt, Alvin Sargent and Steve Kloves) weren’t allowed to take true imaginative flight at a company that’s conspicuously banking on a resuscitated franchise to carry it through its next fiscal quarters. Spider-Man’s ethos remains — With great power comes great responsibility — but these days you can’t see his superhero heart and soul for his branding."

[FormerBondFan]

If Skyfall grosses less than QOS, then keeping Craig on as Bond becomes difficult to defend.

As long as Bond 23 grosses less than QOS' $586 million worldwide and especially $168 million in the US, I'm happy.