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[tbp82]

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40714425

BBC "the actor has not signed a contract" New York Times sources claiming it's a "done deal"................these two can both be right. The New York Time could be correct in that everything has been agreed upon while the BBC could be correct in the the the contract itself hasn't been signed. The thing is until the contract is signed then the deal could fall through you see it in sports all the time where the terms of the deal are agreed upon but then one side or another has a change and then negotiations break down. While it's looking increasing likely that Craig is returning there's still a possibility that the deal doesn't get done.

[Omega]

Craig does not have to sign a contract he already has one, this would be his last movie in that contract, I'm sure Napoleon Solo (Han Solo's real son) probably knows the sum he was contracted for.
If Craig has broken that contract or wants those term amended then it's a new contract but I don't think he'd be dragging his feet sighing.

BTW the NYT has not had a good record of publishing facts recently, if they like the story they publish with no real confirmation beside some hack with their own motivations.
Major Us news papers are closer to tabloid journalism than any time before .


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[tbp82]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

[Omega]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I don't know all I know is he has a contract for this movie now, I don't know how it works legally if they want new terms. Brosnan didn't have a contract after dad just verbal agreements, I think he told Craig to get it all in writing when dealing with eon.

Craig's contract did have a three year clause at least before skyfall because some at eon wanted a new bond for 2012, Craig had the same clause as Dalton which kept Dalton from coming back .

Be curious to know what people who know this business think


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[tbp82]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I don't know all I know is he has a contract for this movie now, I don't know how it works legally if they want new terms. Brosnan didn't have a contract after dad just verbal agreements, I think he told Craig to get it all in writing when dealing with eon.

Craig's contract did have a three year clause at least before skyfall because some at eon wanted a new bond for 2012, Craig had the same clause as Dalton which kept Dalton from coming back .

Be curious to know what people who know this business think


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When you say he has a contract "for this movie now" are you meaning everything done....or do you mean terms are agreed upon....again to vastly different things. I've seen conflicting reports some seem to think nothing is signed etc....while others are of the mind that it's basically up to Craig almost like a player option in sports.

[Omega]

In 2012 he signed a two picture extension because he originally had a three picture contract , spectre was one of the two extensions, in theory bond 25 is still in his contract. But I don't know what happens if he want a new contract or more money , he did say he has a contract you could wipe your ass with .


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[Veronica]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I agree,this whole thing just feels like Brosnan situation circa 2004. Hope we are correct because really-what would be the point of another Craig movie?

[tbp82]

Even Pierce was out there saying he was coming back. Don't get me wrong Im not saying Craig is or isn't coming back but until it's officially announced Im of the belief that there's some kinda holdup. Because, if it wasn't then no reason not to announce it during yesterday's announcement.

[Atticus]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I don't know all I know is he has a contract for this movie now, I don't know how it works legally if they want new terms. Brosnan didn't have a contract after dad just verbal agreements, I think he told Craig to get it all in writing when dealing with eon.

Craig's contract did have a three year clause at least before skyfall because some at eon wanted a new bond for 2012, Craig had the same clause as Dalton which kept Dalton from coming back .

Be curious to know what people who know this business think


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I think Craig has an option contract. I remember reading something about Craig getting originally a three-picture deal with an option for a fourth. He's obviously exhausted all that. But we do have Barbara Broccoli's delusions, so she probably kept a door open for another option. What I understand is that an option typically means the studio reviews the actor’s progress and decides whether or not to pick up the option. If the studio dropped the option, the actor was history. So it's not set in stone for the actor. It's the studio, not the actor, who had the right to drop or pick up the option. Which is why Craig can go around insulting the job by stating he'd rather slit his wrists than do another one. He officially had nothing going with the series, at least at that time. As for now, If he was truly cast, Barbara Broccoli would proudly flaunt to the world that she got him to appear again.

The BS about her offering Craigyboy a ton of money is hard to believe. The guy isn't even a major motion picture star like a Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. One look at the poster for his upcoming film, Logan Loser or whatever the heck it's called, gives you a sense of his stature in the film business. It's waaaay down low. The poster actually advertises him with the blurb, "Introducing Daniel Craig." What is he, some kind of newbie breaking into the film industry? If it's meant to be a joke, it's actually demeaning. Yet if he was a major box office draw, the studio would showcase his name upfront, clearly visible, as a selling point.
I don't know...this whole fiasco announcement on the Bond facebook page is giving me the feeling that some kind of overhaul is in the works, which is why they had no other casting details. The announcement is more like a placeholder for the release date. We'll see.

[dirtybenny]

Hey Atticus, long time no see, to your point about Logan Lousy, it's made by the same guy who did those Ocean films awhile back and the "introducing _______ (name of we'll know star) is his shtick. I know he did it with Julia Roberts in one of them.

It's funny I remember a day when the reigning Bond was doing Hitchcock films and the Thomas Crown affair (bad as that film was at least it was a classy role), now it's third banana bumpkin in a schlock hillbilly caper film!

[tbp82]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I don't know all I know is he has a contract for this movie now, I don't know how it works legally if they want new terms. Brosnan didn't have a contract after dad just verbal agreements, I think he told Craig to get it all in writing when dealing with eon.

Craig's contract did have a three year clause at least before skyfall because some at eon wanted a new bond for 2012, Craig had the same clause as Dalton which kept Dalton from coming back .

Be curious to know what people who know this business think


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I think Craig has an option contract. I remember reading something about Craig getting originally a three-picture deal with an option for a fourth. He's obviously exhausted all that. But we do have Barbara Broccoli's delusions, so she probably kept a door open for another option. What I understand is that an option typically means the studio reviews the actor’s progress and decides whether or not to pick up the option. If the studio dropped the option, the actor was history. So it's not set in stone for the actor. It's the studio, not the actor, who had the right to drop or pick up the option. Which is why Craig can go around insulting the job by stating he'd rather slit his wrists than do another one. He officially had nothing going with the series, at least at that time. As for now, If he was truly cast, Barbara Broccoli would proudly flaunt to the world that she got him to appear again.

The BS about her offering Craigyboy a ton of money is hard to believe. The guy isn't even a major motion picture star like a Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. One look at the poster for his upcoming film, Logan Loser or whatever the heck it's called, gives you a sense of his stature in the film business. It's waaaay down low. The poster actually advertises him with the blurb, "Introducing Daniel Craig." What is he, some kind of newbie breaking into the film industry? If it's meant to be a joke, it's actually demeaning. Yet if he was a major box office draw, the studio would showcase his name upfront, clearly visible, as a selling point.
I don't know...this whole fiasco announcement on the Bond facebook page is giving me the feeling that some kind of overhaul is in the works, which is why they had no other casting details. The announcement is more like a placeholder for the release date. We'll see.

So it's more like a team option in sports. That actually goes in line with most of the rumuors. They are looking at other candidates but Craig being the first choice. If they can't get Craig or at some point lose Craig depending on how you look at it then they just decline the option on him and move forward with a new actor. The above post by Atticus seems not only the most likely to be what is going on here but also the most logical.

[Omega]

So the reports of Babs offering Craig a ton of money to return would have to be false then. Why offer more money when you already have a contract. Maybe we get a official announcement of Craig's return tonight but, something's just don't add up with this. I've stated before and I'll say it again this is eerily similiar to the Brosnan situation before Casino Royale...."it wasn't over til it was over"

I don't know all I know is he has a contract for this movie now, I don't know how it works legally if they want new terms. Brosnan didn't have a contract after dad just verbal agreements, I think he told Craig to get it all in writing when dealing with eon.

Craig's contract did have a three year clause at least before skyfall because some at eon wanted a new bond for 2012, Craig had the same clause as Dalton which kept Dalton from coming back .

Be curious to know what people who know this business think


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I think Craig has an option contract. I remember reading something about Craig getting originally a three-picture deal with an option for a fourth. He's obviously exhausted all that. But we do have Barbara Broccoli's delusions, so she probably kept a door open for another option. What I understand is that an option typically means the studio reviews the actor’s progress and decides whether or not to pick up the option. If the studio dropped the option, the actor was history. So it's not set in stone for the actor. It's the studio, not the actor, who had the right to drop or pick up the option. Which is why Craig can go around insulting the job by stating he'd rather slit his wrists than do another one. He officially had nothing going with the series, at least at that time. As for now, If he was truly cast, Barbara Broccoli would proudly flaunt to the world that she got him to appear again.

The BS about her offering Craigyboy a ton of money is hard to believe. The guy isn't even a major motion picture star like a Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. One look at the poster for his upcoming film, Logan Loser or whatever the heck it's called, gives you a sense of his stature in the film business. It's waaaay down low. The poster actually advertises him with the blurb, "Introducing Daniel Craig." What is he, some kind of newbie breaking into the film industry? If it's meant to be a joke, it's actually demeaning. Yet if he was a major box office draw, the studio would showcase his name upfront, clearly visible, as a selling point.
I don't know...this whole fiasco announcement on the Bond facebook page is giving me the feeling that some kind of overhaul is in the works, which is why they had no other casting details. The announcement is more like a placeholder for the release date. We'll see.

his original contract was with the fourth option , they offered him a new contract or at lest claim he was signed for two more film after skyfall. I don't know all the details , it was a huge pay bump.

Craig's been hard to handle since day one when he was a nothing star, he demanded and got producers credit for spectre, wtf? They wouldn't offer Connery that kind of influence. Craig goes around claiming credit for the whole movie, he supposedly held up production until they hired an actress who would have sex with him, then he goes out talking about slashing his wrists and talking down the movie, there was a story the studio was very angry about his behavior. But he's always been bad promoting movies, he's got in trouble for his non bond movies by refusing to promote them or not doing enough to promote them. Then there was the car ad where he got paid millions to drive on stage and he blew everybody off stomping off stage to leave, apparently people there thought he'd at least shake a few hands .

Craig is a problem, and he's not even the draw James Bond is. Babs to save him in the early days of the protest against his casting made great efforts to build him up making him bigger than the role.


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[Atticus]

Hey Atticus, long time no see, to your point about Logan Lousy, it's made by the same guy who did those Ocean films awhile back and the "introducing _______ (name of we'll know star) is his shtick. I know he did it with Julia Roberts in one of them.

It's funny I remember a day when the reigning Bond was doing Hitchcock films and the Thomas Crown affair (bad as that film was at least it was a classy role), now it's third banana bumpkin in a schlock hillbilly caper film!

Thought so. But, yeah, it's an overused shtick.
I'm no spring chicken and I can tell you this is the kind of cheap advertisement you get in those vaudeville acts back in my great-grandfather's day. We're talkin' turn-of-the-century here. The irony is, the gag was done to Julia Roberts, and her stature is kind of in the dumpster now. She'll need to have that "Introducing" slogan for all her future films. Speaking of that Logan Loser poster, Craig's image isn't exactly flattering. I saw the poster on Saturday when I saw Dunkirk with my senior citizen brigade. The thing is, Craig looked older than my cronies and me. He kind of reminds me of Bowman at the end of Kubrick's 2001 where he became a decrepit old man.

[Atticus]

Craig goes around claiming credit for the whole movie, he supposedly held up production until they hired an actress who would have sex with him, then he goes out talking about slashing his wrists and talking down the movie, there was a story the studio was very angry about his behavior. But he's always been bad promoting movies, he's got in trouble for his non bond movies by refusing to promote them or not doing enough to promote them. Then there was the car ad where he got paid millions to drive on stage and he blew everybody off stomping off stage to leave, apparently people there thought he'd at least shake a few hands .

Craig is a problem, and he's not even the draw James Bond is. Babs to save him in the early days of the protest against his casting made great efforts to build him up making him bigger than the role.

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Good summary. I remember the stories about those Sony bosses yelling at him for the irresponsible slit-my-wrist fiasco. Craig also claimed he did some work on the QOS script. Granted, that script was in shambles. The film really had a troubled production and it showed on screen. But now we've got Purvis and Wade back in the trenches for the next one. MG Wilson said (back in the TWINE days) that they hired these guys because they needed young people to enliven things. But that was 20 years ago. These guys are old now too, and passé.

[Napoleon Solo]

//I'm sure Napoleon Solo (Han Solo's real son) probably knows the sum he was contracted for.//

There was a report in one of the UK tabloids that he was going to get 31M-32M pounds for two movies (this would be B 24 and 25).

Also, Craig specifically said after Skyfall he was contracted for "two more" films. But then after SPECTRE he was coy about it when asked about being contracted for another film. Then Michael G. Wilson said in November 2015 (in an interview that's on YouTube) that Craig wasn't under contract.



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//he did say he has a contract you could wipe your ass with . //

Same interview I'm thinking of.

[Napoleon Solo]

// Then there was the car ad where he got paid millions to drive on stage and he blew everybody off stomping off stage to leave, apparently people there thought he'd at least shake a few hands .//

New York auto show of 2013. Some kind of Land Rover event.

[Napoleon Solo]

We'll see . I expect him to return until he's replaced I don't get why they wouldn't say he was coming back if it was a done deal.




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That was a peculiar aspect of today's announcement.

That is noteworthy however I expect they will rehire Daniel because it is the path of least resistance. Willing to be surprised.
I suspect MGM is pushing them to get a move on. Laughable how long EON takes to gear up for the next Bond film. Daniel keeps withering before our eyes.
They also have to continue another film from the ending of the last; how many people going to these films will care about the last one ten Marvel movies or five Star wars movies ago (which ever comes first). James Bond stand alone films were the best, I could watch Living daylights, then go to Goldeneye without wondering if I was missing something important between the films. Now fan's have got to keep track of when Daniel got the one ring and how close the Fellowship is to Mordor. What about Tom Bombadil?
Cubby figured this out long ago and his daughter has to relearn it, for Bond unless meticulously planned out sequential stories are a mistake. Daniel's Bond will take fourteen years to tell a story which should have take no longer than nine. Who cares about the events in Casion Royale now? Who will Care about Skyfall and the newly minted Mrs Bond by 2019? That was the joy of a fresh adventure each movie, I did not have to worry about the fallout from Moonraker or Thunderball having consequences for the next adventure.

As an aside, Marvel Studios (the movies Marvel produced itself) has made 16 movies in nine years and that will go up to 17 in November.

I realize this is an apples-to-orange comparison. Still, Eon made 16 Bond movies 1962-1989. Then came the long hiatus and the 17th, GoldenEye, came out in 1995. So far, at least, I haven't heard Kevin Feige, the Marvel Studios president (who is listed as producer of the movies), talk about being tired.

[Omega]

Thanks napoleon solo!

So some how between skyfall and Spectre Craig went from two additional to no contract ??
If we believe MGW has a bead on things.


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[Omega]

Craig goes around claiming credit for the whole movie, he supposedly held up production until they hired an actress who would have sex with him, then he goes out talking about slashing his wrists and talking down the movie, there was a story the studio was very angry about his behavior. But he's always been bad promoting movies, he's got in trouble for his non bond movies by refusing to promote them or not doing enough to promote them. Then there was the car ad where he got paid millions to drive on stage and he blew everybody off stomping off stage to leave, apparently people there thought he'd at least shake a few hands .

Craig is a problem, and he's not even the draw James Bond is. Babs to save him in the early days of the protest against his casting made great efforts to build him up making him bigger than the role.

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Good summary. I remember the stories about those Sony bosses yelling at him for the irresponsible slit-my-wrist fiasco. Craig also claimed he did some work on the QOS script. Granted, that script was in shambles. The film really had a troubled production and it showed on screen. But now we've got Purvis and Wade back in the trenches for the next one. MG Wilson said (back in the TWINE days) that they hired these guys because they needed young people to enliven things. But that was 20 years ago. These guys are old now too, and passé.

probably Sony too but I remember reading the head of MGM was furious.
He claimed work ok QOS then when nobody like it he said they were f'ed by the strike.

Skyfall on he claims credit for practically every good idea, inserting himself in just about every process except the music track. In other words the guy who put s bell on set to ring when he thought thing were getting to corny is a stuck up glory hog .

Just change this picture from Batman to good ideas Craig has had, that's how Craig feels about his contribution to bond.

Here the video from lego Batman to get the full flavor of it

[Napoleon Solo]

//He cllaimed work ok QOS then when nobody like it he said they were f'ed by the strike.//

Daniel Craig 2008 and 2011 versions.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/1 ... -versions/

What really happened with the script of Quantum of Solace?

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/1 ... of-solace/