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[bjmdds]

That's exactly where this film is heading big O

[The Sweeney]

I must admit, I'm a bit baffled with this direction of SPECTRE. Why do we have to revisit Bond's childhood again? It was rather dull in SF, and makes no sense why they are pushing further down this route.

It has nothing to do with Fleming, just an interpretation of something Fleming wrote as a throwaway line.

They still have many unused scenes and stories from the Fleming novels. Give me another writer like Maibaum any day of the week, someone who understood the novels, and tapped into them and borrowed them whenever he could, whether it was scenes, moments or characters. He was particularly good at this from FYEO right the way through to LTK.

Couldn't we hear that SPECTRE was using some previously unused Fleming material, instead of this childhood crap...?

[Kristatos]

That's exactly where this film is heading big O

I really don't think they'll go there. Certainly nothing in the leaked documents suggests it. It'll be another "we used to be like brothers, now we're enemies" plot.

[The Saint 007]

I mist admit, I'm a bit baffled with this direction of SPECTRE. Why do we have to revisit Bond's childhood again? It was rather dull in SF, and makes no sense why they are pushing further down this route.

It has nothing to do with Fleming, just an interpretation of something Fleming wrote as a throwaway line.

They still have many unused scenes and stories from the Fleming novels. Give me another writer like Maibaum any day of the week, someone who understood the novels, and tapped into them and borrowed them whenever he could, whether it was scenes, moments or characters. He was particularly good at this from FYEO right the way through to LTK.

Couldn't we hear that SPECTRE was using some previously unused Fleming material, instead of this childhood crap...?

The psychology of Bond seems to be the primary focus of the Craig era, and I don't think he's ever going to get a standard mission/adventure Bond film. We'll probably have to wait for the next actor to get that again. I suppose the filmmakers concoct all sorts of crap about Bond's personal life because it's arguably easier for them to do, and they really don't know where to go with the series. I totally agree with you in regards to Richard Maibaum, he's the best writer for the series, in my opinion.

[Count_Lippe]

Maibaum (and a few co-writers) also made the Fleming stories the early films were based on actually much better than the novels, they worked much better as motion pictures.

But like The Sweeney says there are still some Fleming material that could be used for future films.

[The Sweeney]

That's exactly where this film is heading big O

I really don't think they'll go there. Certainly nothing in the leaked documents suggests it. It'll be another "we used to be like brothers, now we're enemies" plot.

Yaaaawwn! I really hope not.

That concept is getting very worn and tired now. It was first introduced in GE, then we have had various takes on it ever since (friend turned foe), most recently with Silva in SF.

Can't we just have a traditional storyline for once. You know, Gunbarrel opening, decent PTS, then Bond gets briefed by M, pops down to see Q and get a gadget or two (yes, I'm all for this at the moment), goes off on a jaunt, meets the villain, escapes a near death or two, battles with the villain and henchman on the way, villain's plot is foiled, then the villain launches a last minute surprise attack at Bond in the final scene, before Bond beds the girl and the credits roll.

And along the way, steal a few unused scenes from Fleming, but actual proper scenes, not a post-Cubby EON interpretation which ends up nothing remotely like the source material.

This is not rocket science.....

[Count_Lippe]

The Bond character in the novels was a very brooding person but I don't think this comes across in the DC films, instead there are a lot of other psychological stuff that don't have much to do with Bond.

They could even have made the new films with a voice over where Bond talked about his inner thoughts, and this would have been much more true to Fleming's Bond.

[Kristatos]

Can't we just have a traditional storyline for once. You know, Gunbarrel opening, decent PTS, then Bond gets briefed by M, pops down to see Q and get a gadget or two (yes, I'm all for this at the moment), goes off on a jaunt, meets the villain, escapes a near death or two, battles with the villain and henchman on the way, villain's plot is foiled, then the villain launches a last minute surprise attack at Bond in the final scene, before Bond beds the girl and the credits roll.

And along the way, steal a few unused scenes from Fleming, but actual proper scenes, not a post-Cubby EON interpretation which ends up nothing remotely like the source material.

This is not rocket science.....

It's called Kingsman (or so I hear - still haven't seen it yet).

[The Sweeney]

The Bond character in the novels was a very brooding person but I don't think this comes across in the DC films, instead there are a lot of other psychological stuff that don't have much to do with Bond.

They could even have made the new films with a voice over where Bond talked about his inner thoughts, and this would have been much more true to Fleming's Bond.

I suppose Craig's had his share of brooding moments in his films (the drunken bar flight scene in QoS, ripping his bloody shirt off in the bathroom before pouring a bourbon in CR, drinking on a beach hut in SF with some woman), but there needs to be more of this, and also how about seeing Bond enjoy a slap-up meal for once, or bring some of his sophistication back, being a connoisseur of fine wines, etc. We always read about the exotic meals Bond would eat in the novels, how about now seeing some on screen.

[Captain Arthurs]

, and also how about seeing Bond enjoy a slap-up meal for once, or bring some of his sophistication back, being a connoisseur of fine wines, etc. We always read about the exotic meals Bond would eat in the novels, how about now seeing some on screen.

Daniel Craig looked awful eating dinner in Casino Royale with his mouth open. So food is a no go area for Craig's Bond along with dyed black hair.

[bjmdds]

That's exactly where this film is heading big O

I really don't think they'll go there. Certainly nothing in the leaked documents suggests it. It'll be another "we used to be like brothers, now we're enemies" plot.

Just wait and see Kris. We were already set up with the bisexual connotation of Bond in SK-awful and now Mendes will further push this psychological Bond profile to the extreme.

[bjmdds]

That's exactly where this film is heading big O

I really don't think they'll go there. Certainly nothing in the leaked documents suggests it. It'll be another "we used to be like brothers, now we're enemies" plot.

Yaaaawwn! I really hope not.

That concept is getting very worn and tired now. It was first introduced in GE, then we have had various takes on it ever since (friend turned foe), most recently with Silva in SF.

Can't we just have a traditional storyline for once. You know, Gunbarrel opening, decent PTS, then Bond gets briefed by M, pops down to see Q and get a gadget or two (yes, I'm all for this at the moment), goes off on a jaunt, meets the villain, escapes a near death or two, battles with the villain and henchman on the way, villain's plot is foiled, then the villain launches a last minute surprise attack at Bond in the final scene, before Bond beds the girl and the credits roll.

And along the way, steal a few unused scenes from Fleming, but actual proper scenes, not a post-Cubby EON interpretation which ends up nothing remotely like the source material.

This is not rocket science.....

Cr-egg's Bond is NOT fun, plain and simple. He is a tormented individual, who eats and looks like a slob, and who hates being who he is. MOROSE defines Cr-egg's Bond.

[bjmdds]

12th snow here in past 8 weeks .........A Delta flight carrying 130 passengers and crew skidded off a snow-covered runway at New York's LaGuardia Airport, slamming through a fence on the side of the tarmac. Passengers were being evacuated and there were no immediate reports of injuries.

[Count_Lippe]

Captain Arthurs you messed up your post, I didn't write what you quoted.

Anyway, Bond has ordered Beluga caviar and Dom Perignon champagne before in the films, so we know he's a connoisseur.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Mendes is ruining the franchise with his psychotic obsessions of first Mommie Dearest in SK-Awful and now his revealed plot with Bond's childhood emotional development with a damaged friend, who grows up to attempt to take over the world at Bond's expense ............"James Bond director Sam Mendes has released information about the upcoming 007 film, saying "Spectre" will answer questions concerning Bond's childhood. The 24th James Bond movie "Spectre" is due out in theaters on Nov. 6, and director Sam Mendes revealed the plot will revolve around the spymaster's childhood and why Bond came to be an orphan. When Sony Pictures first released the "Spectre" behind-the-scenes featurette last month, audiences were treated to action footage shot on snowy mountains, unaware of the film revolving around the the all-important story of the British spy's past, a theme the last 22 Bond films never visited until "Skyfall" in 2012. "Skyfall" hinted at what was supposedly a tragic childhood Bond experienced in his native Scotland after both his parents died. Mendes has hinted "Spectre" will focus on Bond seeking the truth behind his parents' demise. "Spectre," which will be Daniel Craig's fourth 007 film, is also rumored to be his last." (let's hope so)

You must hand it to EON, they are determined to rob the character of any mystery (his past). The more this sorry snore fest continues, the more I want to take back every bad word that I have ever spoken or written about the Brosnan era.

[bjmdds]

You said it DT. You will become an avid Brosnan fan. If this trash grosses anywhere near $1 billion we may as well give up on society, and realize that, as FBF always says, anything goes as Bond these days, and we can remain the loyal oppostion here to Eon's fringe ways with the franchise, ala Dumbledore's army was to Voldemort in HP.

[Atticus]

Great the opening can be young bond being abused

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That would be obviously extreme, and I'd like to think Eon still has enough taste not to go down that path. Then again, they did throw in a rape scene near the end of QOS where the idiotic Latin American general, Menendez or Medrano or whatever the hell he is called, attacks a young woman while explosions were going on, a useless scene that doesn't advance his character in any way because we were already told he's an evil guy. I do agree with bjmdds that we haven't heard the last of the gay reference that Craig's Bond revealed in Shitefall. In the Mendes film American Beauty, there's an emo kid with some kind of psycho-sexual issue (oh gawd, will they suggest Bond was an emo type of kid?), as well as a marine colonel who snaps into a homicidal rage because he was a repressed homosexual. So it wouldn't surprise me if Mendes brought these types of character elements into the story, if not in Craig's Bond, then in another character like Tanner or this childhood friend Oberhauser. Who knows, maybe Ralph Fiennes' M is gay too, or maybe they'll bring back the 100-year old groundskeeper Kincaid to show us he's gay too? This is the type of characterization that seems to fascinate Eon and Mendes. We'll see.

[Count_Lippe]

Here's an example of "voice over" I mentioned, Robert Mitchum in the Raymond Chandler movie Farewell My Lovely (1975), after the title theme.

Could you imagine a Bond film like this?

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[bjmdds]

Harrison Ford’s plane crashes into Los Angeles golf course: The 72-year-old actor was reportedly flying over the Penmar Golf Course in Venice Thursday when his yellow, vintage aircraft crash landed into the green. TMZ reported that he suffered multiple gashes to his head and was bleeding.