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Post by The Sweeney »

Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:It doesn't really matter though at the end of the day, does it.
I believe it matters if someone is being castigated for something he (possibly) never did.
Exactly. `Possibly' being the operative word. It's all hear-say, speculation and theories.

It's been discussed a million times before on various Bond sites, and no one is any the wiser. So what is the point in discussing something none of us know anything about, and more importantly, has nothing to do with the the future of Bond, which doesn't include Pierce Brosnan (thankfully).
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The Sweeney wrote:It's all hear-say, speculation and theories.
So what is the point in discussing something none of us know anything about?
The point is that it's being treated as established fact that Brosnan asked for $40 million or $50 million or whatever ridiculous figure it's gone up to now, when no-one seems to know where this story came from. Imagine this scenario. You live in a small town where everybody knows everybody's business and are unfortunate enough to lose your job. Soon, a rumour starts to circulate that you were sacked after being caught with your fingers in the till. You interview for other jobs, but find that your interviewers are treating you with suspicion. Well, it's a bit like that in Hollywood. Once an actor gets a reputation for being "difficult", it can be hard for them to find work. I doubt that my trying to give Brozza the benefit of the doubt will have any effect on his future career prospects, but it still seems the right thing to do. I guess having been unemployed for a year not very long ago (18-6 months ago, to be exact) has made me touchy about such things.
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Kristatos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:It doesn't really matter though at the end of the day, does it.
I believe it matters if someone is being castigated for something he (possibly) never did.
The reason it matters is that Eon has a history of doing this with their successful Bonds, not including Lazenby or Dalton. Connery was fuming mad in the 1960s when he learned Dean Martin earned more for Matt Helm than he did for James Bond, and Bond was a phenomenon, Helm a copycat light-hearted spoof, with secretary Luvy Cravesit! Brosnan may have been correct in wanting a bigger payday for himself, but throughtout the course of the 45 year franchise, did any Bond ever have a big payday? Eon likes to mold their Bonds financially, it started with Cubby, and Barbara has learned that part well.
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The Sweeney wrote:It doesn't really matter though at the end of the day, does it.

Brosnan is now history, and we have a new Bond in place.
Sweeney, I know you are on cloud nine with Craig as Bond for now. A question, would you be on cloud 5,6,7, or 8 IF Jackman replaced him as Bond in the future, or would you prefer a matured Cavill to take over in 2012?
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Well, Eon did sit on their hands after Die Another Day and let Pierce Brosnan get older rather than let him bow out after a fifth in 2004/2005. Clearly the idea of doing Casino Royale and Babara's obsession with the lovely Danny Craig nixed that at some point. My own conspiracy theory is that Barbara didn't like Pierce and couldn't wait to replace him because for the first time ever she would be picking the new Bond.
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Excellent hypothesis James. Barbara and Michael G. could have made a Bond film by 2004, if they wanted too. The sad part is the manner in which Brosnan's swan song as Bond came down. Imagine the Bond world in 1987, TLD, followed in 1989 by LTK. Dalton's 2 films, with Cubby still in charge, brought the franchise to a historic low. Six years later, Brosnan not only revived the franchise but raked in 1.5 Billion for Eon in 4 pictures. Now 2003,2004,2005 pass by, no word yet on Brosnan's future, and Sony is purchasing MGM simultaneously. When 2006 comes around, a relative unknown to the world, yet a Barbara Broccoli personal favorite, Daniel Craig takes the role! Parting was not proper, but Eon's loyalty was always to themselves. We will see how generous Eon will be with Craig after 2, maybe 3 films. He may very well receive the same treatment as Brosnan once his contract becomes too excessive, in Broccoli's eyes.
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bjmdds, you have no idea what you're talking about sprouting complete rubbish as if it were fact.
As I've seen on other sites you make wild accusations that are nothing but over opinionated crap.
You have no evidence to back up your claims, which are therefore useless.
This record is so worn it's broken.
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Spoken like a true member of the MI6 forum, I can tell by your tone.
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I'm more of a frequent visitor to CBn. But I have looked at Mi6 aswell.
What of it?
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I don't think you can suggest that Daniel Craig was hired because he was unanimously the best choice for Bond amongst the important players in the Bond movie world. Barabara is obviously obsessed with him and wanted to make him HER first choice for Bond. If you look back at the Bond selection process, she held out until the very last second when the studio and her Eon colleagues had to agree. The fact that Craig works for peanuts also helped.
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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:I don't think you can suggest that Daniel Craig was hired because he was unanimously the best choice for Bond amongst the important players in the Bond movie world. Barabara is obviously obsessed with him and wanted to make him HER first choice for Bond. If you look back at the Bond selection process, she held out until the very last second when the studio and her Eon colleagues had to agree. The fact that Craig works for peanuts also helped.
Makes sense Flandry, and the selection process took way too long to begin with, probably part publicity stunt, part confusion of who to choose. From day one, Campbell reportedly wanted Visnjic, then when he did not get his way, he started his statements that Craig was the best actor to ever play Bond. Interestingly enough, Visnjic may be seen in Bond 22. I wonder if Campbell will come back to direct his choice for Bond as Vesper's boyfriend?
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Captain Nash wrote:I'm more of a frequent visitor to CBn. But I have looked at Mi6 aswell.
What of it?
Feel free to post anywhere you desire, but your condescending tone about anything contrary to Craig is typical attack mode found on both CB.net and MI6 forums. This forum welcomes dissenting opinion, whereas the forums you frequent do not. Do you know what those 2 other forums do when a topic thread against Craig and Eon gets rolling? They lock it, even though it is one of the most popular on their site. Why, it must really bother them to read contrary 'opinion', which people are entitled to.
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Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:I don't think you can suggest that Daniel Craig was hired because he was unanimously the best choice for Bond amongst the important players in the Bond movie world. Barabara is obviously obsessed with him and wanted to make him HER first choice for Bond.
How do you know this? Where has this been reported? You have nothing as usual to back up your claim.
If you look back at the Bond selection process, she held out until the very last second when the studio and her Eon colleagues had to agree.
Again how do you know that the final decision on casting Bond went to Barbara Broccoli? There are a number of people who I suspect would have a final say.
The fact that Craig works for peanuts also helped.
What has that go to do with anything? So what if he works for free. So long as he does a good job, which apart from a small minority most people believe he did, then it doesn't really matter what Craigs pay packet was.
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Captain Nash wrote:How do you know this? Where has this been reported? You have nothing as usual to back up your claim.
I take it you haven't seen that infamous photo of Ms. Broccoli looking, ahem, distinctly pleased to see Daniel then? You probably wouldn't have understood my use of the phrase "chapel hat pegs" in another post if you haven't.
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I know the exact photo you are referring to, Kristatos, and I noticed that when it was shown. I did not see her looking at Brosnan in such a manner.
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bjmdds wrote:I know the exact photo you are referring to, Kristatos, and I noticed that when it was shown. I did not see her looking at Brosnan in such a manner.
LOL! You guys crack me up! :lol:

Well, it looks like women do fancy Craig more than Brosnan (well, one woman in particular).
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Glad we put a smile on the Sweeney's face, it is all in good fun and entertainment. Babs sure does fancy Craig over Brosnan, it is written all over her face. :lol:
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bjmdds wrote:Babs sure does fancy Craig over Brosnan, it is written all over her face. :lol:
Among other places.
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Maybe for the first time ever she will put herself in a cameo in Bond 22 with Craig's Bond, instead of her step-brother, MGW.
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I know the photo you're talking of, but that means nothing.
It's one photo, and doesn't mean shes attracted to Daniel Craig.
I think some of you kids are reading to much into it.
:roll:
You'll need something more concrete than that. So yet another part of your armour is revealed to be faulty.
Soon you'll have no armour left. :lol:
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