The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

paco chaos · Post by **paco chaos** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:04 pm

Timothy Dalton was a better Bond than Daniel Craig simply because he looked the part, as well as understanding the character that he was playing.
I've said it before, but the only reason License to Kill did as poorly as it did, was because it was subjected to the Batman juggernaut of 1989. Had the movie been released in the fall it would have been a major hit. not only did it have to compete with Batman, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as well. not to compare LTK with a turkey like Star Trek 5, but that film had a built in audience that usually would go back to see the same film regardless of it being any good. yet the film was the least successful Star Trek.
I prefer License to Kill over Casino Royale, DAD, and TWINE. Had Goldeneye starred Timothy Dalton, I would have dug it.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:54 am

paco chaos wrote:Timothy Dalton was a better Bond than Daniel Craig simply because he looked the part, as well as understanding the character that he was playing.
I've said it before, but the only reason License to Kill did as poorly as it did, was because it was subjected to the Batman juggernaut of 1989. Had the movie been released in the fall it would have been a major hit. not only did it have to compete with Batman, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as well. not to compare LTK with a turkey like Star Trek 5, but that film had a built in audience that usually would go back to see the same film regardless of it being any good. yet the film was the least successful Star Trek.
I prefer License to Kill over Casino Royale, DAD, and TWINE. Had Goldeneye starred Timothy Dalton, I would have dug it.

I remember the reviews in 1989 for LTK and the critics for some reason gave it a B+ rating, instead of the usual A, and it only did $8.7 million opening weekend in the USA. The critics said then that LTK was not like prior Bond films, for Bond quit the British service and went off on his own. CR is no different than LTK in that regard. We will see how Bond 22 with Craig does next time when it only has 2 free weekends of release before Pottermania hits the theatres in the USA and the UK. Competition, with no curiosity factor may reveal Craig's true draw as this off-beat Bond.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:59 am

007 wrote:
Do you think a 42 year old Dalton could have pulled off a success with CR if marketed as is now done?
Yes. Put a 40/42 year old Dalton in Casino Royale with a quiet november release, the PR blitz from Sony, all the publicity, good reviews etc and it's a hit. Martin Campbell would be calling him the best actor to ever play Bond but there wouldn't be a DaltonnotBond.com because Dalton actually looked like a James Bond, unlike Daniel Craig.

Dalton was definitely not marketed correctly and I agree that Dalton at 42 could have pulled off CR with the marketing Craig received. Dalton was on The Tonight Show pushing the film and stated he would never do a Bond film where a plane comes out of a horse's rear(ala Roger Moore). CR was such a deviation it became more of a fascination than a substantive departure from the prior 20 films,and that could be it's draw power, for the storyline itself was by no means anything great.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:53 am

bjmdds wrote:
paco chaos wrote:Timothy Dalton was a better Bond than Daniel Craig simply because he looked the part, as well as understanding the character that he was playing.
I've said it before, but the only reason License to Kill did as poorly as it did, was because it was subjected to the Batman juggernaut of 1989. Had the movie been released in the fall it would have been a major hit. not only did it have to compete with Batman, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as well. not to compare LTK with a turkey like Star Trek 5, but that film had a built in audience that usually would go back to see the same film regardless of it being any good. yet the film was the least successful Star Trek.
I prefer License to Kill over Casino Royale, DAD, and TWINE. Had Goldeneye starred Timothy Dalton, I would have dug it.
I remember the reviews in 1989 for LTK and the critics for some reason gave it a B+ rating, instead of the usual A, and it only did $8.7 million opening weekend in the USA. The critics said then that LTK was not like prior Bond films, for Bond quit the British service and went off on his own. CR is no different than LTK in that regard. We will see how Bond 22 with Craig does next time when it only has 2 free weekends of release before Pottermania hits the theatres in the USA and the UK. Competition, with no curiosity factor may reveal Craig's true draw as this off-beat Bond.

I'm very much looking forward to Bond 22 and the massive success that it's almost assured of. Unless hell freezes over, or blood comes from a stone Craigs second outing will be a hit. His debut has been astronomical, people will goto see the follow up out of curiousity, and there will be the people who missed Casino Royale and go to find out what all the fuss is about.
Yep, even with Potter (a kids film) Bond 22 will be big.
Maybe we can all go together.

T

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:48 am

bjmdds wrote: We will see how Bond 22 with Craig does next time when it only has 2 free weekends of release before Pottermania hits the theatres in the USA and the UK. Competition, with no curiosity factor may reveal Craig's true draw as this off-beat Bond.

Maybe the DVD sales of CR are starting to give us an indication of how well Craig's off-beat Bond will do in Bond 22 also.....

Post by **bjmdds** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:14 pm

Sweeney,make sure you are available the weekend of November 8, 2008, to see Bond 22 on opening weekend, for I would not want you to miss it. By the way, do you know how many DVDs were sold from your all time favorite Bond movie, DAD, and did you purchase one?

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:43 pm

Excuse me bjmdds, but how well did DAD perform with Harry Potter? Did DAD flop once Potter took over the box office? Hmm.. I can't quite remember...

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:23 am

I think you would admit that HP is far better than HF in terms of major competition. Perhaps if DAD went up against penguins it could have done a lot better as well, but we will never know, until November 2008, that is.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:16 am

bjmdds wrote:I think you would admit that HP is far better than HF in terms of major competition. Perhaps if DAD went up against penguins it could have done a lot better as well, but we will never know, until November 2008, that is.

Potter or Penguins, Bond showed on both cases that it can remain successful. Since Bond 22 happens to be released two weeks before Potter, it can have all the time in the world to itself.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:12 am

Oh no, we're going to have to put up with bjmdds spouting this potter cr@p for the next 18 months.

Where most people have moved onto CD's he's still playing records.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:43 am

bjmdds wrote:I think you would admit that HP is far better than HF in terms of major competition. Perhaps if DAD went up against penguins it could have done a lot better as well, but we will never know, until November 2008, that is.

But CR did better than DAD overall, so why would DAD have fared better against the penguins......

And with regards your question about owning DAD on DVD - I am very proud to say I never bought it. In fact, I haven't bought any Brosnan Bond. To me, the series ends with LTK, and begins again with CR.....

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:46 am

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:I think you would admit that HP is far better than HF in terms of major competition. Perhaps if DAD went up against penguins it could have done a lot better as well, but we will never know, until November 2008, that is.
But CR did better than DAD overall, so why would DAD have fared better against the penguins......

And with regards your question about owning DAD on DVD - I am very proud to say I never bought it. In fact, I haven't bought any Brosnan Bond. To me, the series ends with LTK, and begins again with CR.....

So you can understand that there are those who feel the same about Craig, where we find the series in limbo as is. How did you ever get by from 1989-2002 with a 6 year hiatus and a 7 year Brosnan fest?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:49 am

stockslivevan wrote:
bjmdds wrote:I think you would admit that HP is far better than HF in terms of major competition. Perhaps if DAD went up against penguins it could have done a lot better as well, but we will never know, until November 2008, that is.
Potter or Penguins, Bond showed on both cases that it can remain successful. Since Bond 22 happens to be released two weeks before Potter, it can have all the time in the world to itself.

Which do you think will be more popular in the "UK" next time, which will be interesting?

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:57 am

So Bond and Harry Potter are the same type of film now are they?
Just as some compared Happy Feets box office to that of Casino Royales, Happy Feet and Harry Potter are aimed at kids.
(Like the Brosnan films

)
They're bound to make more money through parents taking there kids to see them.
Bond 22 will be a success, I can't wait for you to get those box office figure in November / December 2008.
Oh how I'll laugh.
*Cue Dr.Evilesque laugh from Captain Nash*

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:48 pm

bjmdds wrote:So you can understand that there are those who feel the same about Craig, where we find the series in limbo as is. How did you ever get by from 1989-2002 with a 6 year hiatus and a 7 year Brosnan fest?

With great difficulty. I watched films like OHMSS, LTK, FRWL and GF over and over again....oh yes, and Bourne Identity/Supremacy.

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:22 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
bjmdds wrote:So you can understand that there are those who feel the same about Craig, where we find the series in limbo as is. How did you ever get by from 1989-2002 with a 6 year hiatus and a 7 year Brosnan fest?
With great difficulty. I watched films like OHMSS, LTK, FRWL and GF over and over again....oh yes, and Bourne Identity/Supremacy.

But 13 years Sweeney, waiting...waiting....waiting.....For Craig? By the way, did you catch Purefoy on HBO's Rome which concluded, and would he acceptable as Bond to you?....I did not know you liked the Bourne films. Will the Bourne Ultimatum top the Bourne Supremacy, which topped CR, in the USA? Do you like Matt Damon as a spy?

Post by **bjmdds** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:26 pm

Captain Nash wrote:So Bond and Harry Potter are the same type of film now are they?
Just as some compared Happy Feets box office to that of Casino Royales, Happy Feet and Harry Potter are aimed at kids.
(Like the Brosnan films )
They're bound to make more money through parents taking there kids to see them.
Bond 22 will be a success, I can't wait for you to get those box office figure in November / December 2008.
Oh how I'll laugh.
*Cue Dr.Evilesque laugh from Captain Nash*

Happy Feet was no competition abroad for CR, as will be the case with HP in 2008. DAD competed nicely against HP in 2002, but who knows how higher it could have been with limited competition, as CR had. When the box office figures role around in November 2008, we will all have a good laugh.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:00 pm

I know you can't understand this but to compare a childrens movie against a Bond film is going to give you a false interpretation of the results.
But at the end of the day why do you have to compare it to anything but itself or it's immediate predecessor?
Because if you do the real truth is revealed and you can't handle that.
When you can admit that Casino Royale and Daniel Craig blew everyone away (well nearly everyone) and left alot of people wondering what the hell happened then we can talk. Untill then keep up the same argument that's been hanging around like a bad smell since late 2005.
I really do think it's about time you found yourself some new material.

Good luck with that.

paco chaos · Post by **paco chaos** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:12 pm

All I know is at work we got two copies of Casino Royale in for sale on it's initial release date. they are both still sitting in our dvd bin. We got 6 copies of Happy Feet, and we are completely sold out. granted I work in a drug store, not a video store, but a great deal of the time the hot titles sell really well for us.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:42 pm

paco chaos wrote:All I know is at work we got two copies of Casino Royale in for sale on it's initial release date. they are both still sitting in our dvd bin. We got 6 copies of Happy Feet, and we are completely sold out. granted I work in a drug store, not a video store, but a great deal of the time the hot titles sell really well for us.

I'd love to know which planet, or reality you live in Paco, because it doesn't sound like mine at all.

Or maybe the British have taken to Craig far more than Americans have.