The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

When We Rise (ABC) (9-11 p.m.) – Finale 0.5 rating (18-49) 2.13 million--------The 4 night mini-series bombed HUGELY Broccoli had better take notice, with all of Hollywood, and get off the topics they deem as important for movies and take ALL of the PC content out of their films so people can experience escapism and enjoy a traditional film

[Omega]

I think they could take literally any unknown actor and make them a success as bond. We've seen the quality of the movies so not come into it. Acting like bond doesn't matter either.

I like turner for the role, wouldn't be too disappointed for Loki either. But this has to assume babs is in the mood to make a bond film and hire a new actor


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[bjmdds]

If Broccoli has any brains, she would sell off her shares of EON to Sony or MGM, and they could hire Aidan Turner as Bond and Nolan as the director and it would be a huge success and our FBF would do cartwheels in happiness MGW is done, so a big change in management is coming in either case.

[Bond...James Bond]

Broccoli should be turning to...Turner.
Will Gregg Wilson take the reigns if his father and Babs drop out. I'd hate to think what Cubby would make of this fiasco. Sad state of affairs.
The only concern if EON do sell the rights is if a major studio doesn't treat Bond with respect, and we get spin offs and deviate too far from the character.

[Blowfeld]

Broccoli should be turning to...Turner.
Will Gregg Wilson take the reigns if his father and Babs drop out. I'd hate to think what Cubby would make of this fiasco. Sad state of affairs.
The only concern if EON do sell the rights is if a major studio doesn't treat Bond with respect, and we get spin offs and deviate too far from the character.

There were rumours back around 2011-12 that 'forces' in EON wanted a new Bond for a new decade, Daniel's original contract was nearing the end also. I can only assume the 'forces' mentioned were MGW's children, who have slowly been brought out into forefront of the family business. I can not imagine Barbara quitting, however there is a faint glimmer of maybe dedicating some of the Bond responsibilities to her nephews.

I do think if Craig is done maybe she would be willing to step back a little.

[Dalton exMI6]

I have recently joined this website and I am very glad that there now is an available forum section on this website. To date, MI6 and Commanderbond.net have been the major players in the discussion of Daniel Craig's first outing as James Bond in Casino Royale. The problem with the other forum sites has been whenever a member with contrary views to either Craig or CR has posted their opinions, they are immediately attacked, like a swarm of bees, ridiculed, mocked, cursed at, defamed, and belittled by the masses of pro-Craig/CR members. Those two other sites are overwhelmingly in favor of the direction that Eon has taken with the Bond franchise. The minority of members in both of those sites have found it hard to debate fairly and intelligently any counter reviews or beliefs to Casino Royale. Both sites have there pitbull attack dogs ready to go whenever someone even hints that CR with DC is no longer a Bond film, no longer part of the historic franchise,and no longer recognizable as what it should be. CR was more successful at the international box office than it was in the USA. I hope this particular forum site can grow with members who in a cordial manner can openly debate various dissenting opinions of what Daniel Craig has done to the Bond franchise. By the time the next Bond film comes out, in November 2008, I hope this forum site has gathered a sizable amount of new members whose contrary opinions are appreciated, not attacked.

I am replying to your post ten years after you wrote it. Still as true then as it is now! Everything you described eventually happened to me and it was splendid to read your objective perspective. I was a long time member of Mi6 and it took me a few days to work out on joining, that to survive there, you had to be nice about Craig.

I admit that my survival strategy of appeasement backfired, but I thought that by hanging in there, I could convince others to smell the coffee. And, yes I drank the coolaid for a while .

But, once I eventually began to fight the b**lsh*t and criticise Craig, I began to create enemies and in the end was attacked by like you say : "A swarm of bees."

No matter how intelligently one argues, they will hit you with sarcasm and then provoke you to hit back and then contact a moderator to make out you started it.

I appreciate that here on CNB, one can express freely without being ridiculed. Within reason of course, because someone talking rubbish should be challenged.

As for the charge of being called not a fan of Bond for disliking Craggers, I had to laugh as my mother was a friend of the late Bob Simmons, who only happened to be Connery's stunt double as well being the stunt arranger for many years.

My ultimate point is that the pro-Craig forums use intimidation as a tactic, and I know of many people who keep their true feelings about Craig hidden, as they know they will be ganged up against. Path of least resistance.

And why did it take me so long to join Here? I was one of those idiots who thought that being loyal to EON, was being loyal to Cubby Broccoli. The truth is that being loyal to Craig, is disloyal to the legacy of Cubby's standards in leading man.

Better late than never, I guess.

[Omega]

Welcome Dalton exMI6!!!
I've begun to wonder if they are Bond fans or EON fans. Some of the same people who crucified us for not being on board with Craig were the biggest brosnan fan boys.
Could be just wanting to be close to the phenomenon Bond is/was no matter what.


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[Omega]

Well Logan blew away my expectations $85 million I thought $60 was stretching it because the Friday matinee were thin.


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[Dalton exMI6]

Welcome Dalton exMI6!!!
I've begun to wonder if they are Bond fans or EON fans. Some of the same people who crucified us for not being on board with Craig were the biggest brosnan fan boys.
Could be just wanting to be close to the phenomenon Bond is/was no matter what.


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Thanks Omega. I am amazed how a Brosnan fan could be into Craggers. If Brosnan is sweet wine, then Craig is vinegar.

As you say, some people respect Craig based on box office performance. Especially so after Skyfall took over one billion dollars, I noticed a stronger reluctance to go against the grain. Some confuse financial success with quality.

[Bond...James Bond]

The simple way too look at it, is none of the other actors was a controversial casting choice. But more importantly none of the others required the slate to be wiped clean. The reboot never needed to happen.

[Veronica]

Because I'm rather lazy. And also it's hard to scan 1500 pages, what is the general consensus on who should replace Craig?

Tom Hiddleston
Henry Cavill
Idris Elba
Tom Hardy
Aidan Turner
Or someone not mentioned above...

Out of these Turner(currently my favorite) and Cavill qualify. Hiddleston is well-spoken and charming and I really like him as Fitzgerald in Midnight in Paris. But because he looks nothing like Bond it's impossible for me to imagine him as Bond.
I like Hardy(best part of Inception if you ask me) but he just isn't Bond.
And about Elba...we all know story about him.

What really convinced me Turner would make a good Bond is his role in And Then There Were None. Cavill proved it in The Man from U.N.C.L.E

[bjmdds]

I have recently joined this website and I am very glad that there now is an available forum section on this website. To date, MI6 and Commanderbond.net have been the major players in the discussion of Daniel Craig's first outing as James Bond in Casino Royale. The problem with the other forum sites has been whenever a member with contrary views to either Craig or CR has posted their opinions, they are immediately attacked, like a swarm of bees, ridiculed, mocked, cursed at, defamed, and belittled by the masses of pro-Craig/CR members. Those two other sites are overwhelmingly in favor of the direction that Eon has taken with the Bond franchise. The minority of members in both of those sites have found it hard to debate fairly and intelligently any counter reviews or beliefs to Casino Royale. Both sites have there pitbull attack dogs ready to go whenever someone even hints that CR with DC is no longer a Bond film, no longer part of the historic franchise,and no longer recognizable as what it should be. CR was more successful at the international box office than it was in the USA. I hope this particular forum site can grow with members who in a cordial manner can openly debate various dissenting opinions of what Daniel Craig has done to the Bond franchise. By the time the next Bond film comes out, in November 2008, I hope this forum site has gathered a sizable amount of new members whose contrary opinions are appreciated, not attacked.

I am replying to your post ten years after you wrote it. Still as true then as it is now! Everything you described eventually happened to me and it was splendid to read your objective perspective. I was a long time member of Mi6 and it took me a few days to work out on joining, that to survive there, you had to be nice about Craig.

I admit that my survival strategy of appeasement backfired, but I thought that by hanging in there, I could convince others to smell the coffee. And, yes I drank the coolaid for a while .

But, once I eventually began to fight the b**lsh*t and criticise Craig, I began to create enemies and in the end was attacked by like you say : "A swarm of bees."

No matter how intelligently one argues, they will hit you with sarcasm and then provoke you to hit back and then contact a moderator to make out you started it.

I appreciate that here on CNB, one can express freely without being ridiculed. Within reason of course, because someone talking rubbish should be challenged.

As for the charge of being called not a fan of Bond for disliking Craggers, I had to laugh as my mother was a friend of the late Bob Simmons, who only happened to be Connery's stunt double as well being the stunt arranger for many years.

My ultimate point is that the pro-Craig forums use intimidation as a tactic, and I know of many people who keep their true feelings about Craig hidden, as they know they will be ganged up against. Path of least resistance.

And why did it take me so long to join Here? I was one of those idiots who thought that being loyal to EON, was being loyal to Cubby Broccoli. The truth is that being loyal to Craig, is disloyal to the legacy of Cubby's standards in leading man.

Better late than never, I guess.

Yes Dalton Ex-MI6, it's been almost 10 years to the date, that I left that MI6 site and came here The MI6 website that you left NOW is NOT the same forum it was 10 years ago. They shut that one down for some strange reason, and resurrected it into the current version. In either case, they are both EON shills. They admitted to me that their website is not a democracy, and they locked the most viewed and replied to thread I started there, because they obviously saw what was being written was not in their indoctrination agenda. I never bothered with them again. Cr-egg is NOT Bond Period I hate his presence in the role with a deep passion. What Connery stories can you share with us that you were told by your mother?

[Omega]

Welcome Dalton exMI6!!!
I've begun to wonder if they are Bond fans or EON fans. Some of the same people who crucified us for not being on board with Craig were the biggest brosnan fan boys.
Could be just wanting to be close to the phenomenon Bond is/was no matter what.


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Thanks Omega. I am amazed how a Brosnan fan could be into Craggers. If Brosnan is sweet wine, then Craig is vinegar.

As you say, some people respect Craig based on box office performance. Especially so after Skyfall took over one billion dollars, I noticed a stronger reluctance to go against the grain. Some confuse financial success with quality.

well I know of some who where frantically pro brosnan to drop him like hot rock two years late, then there were those who hated Craig then CR got critical praise changed their minds . Whoever likes him genuinely is fine, I like parts of each of his movies just not him as bond.

But the sf bo is his main defending pint now, basically the equivalent of transformers aimed at the British audience.


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[Bond...James Bond]

Can anyone fathom why there has been no Bond news since Spectre? It's as if EON are ignoring Bond as much as they can. Craig remains silent as to if he'll return. The concern is Turner will be snapped up by another film series before his potential to be James Bond is realised. Especially if his name is linked to the part in the press. He'll become hot property for a studio, and if nothing happens with Bond, then he at not wait for the part.

[bjmdds]

EON has NO planned action for Bond 25. They wing it, all at once, and proceed. Broccoli is truly a clueless idiot with what she has done to the franchise. It shows no originality. It's a re-telling of past stories now, under HER direction, with moronic plot changes.

[Omega]

Can anyone fathom why there has been no Bond news since Spectre? It's as if EON are ignoring Bond as much as they can. Craig remains silent as to if he'll return. The concern is Turner will be snapped up by another film series before his potential to be James Bond is realised. Especially if his name is linked to the part in the press. He'll become hot property for a studio, and if nothing happens with Bond, then he at not wait for the part.

EON never seems to pay attention to Bond until just before production begins, usually finishing the script while the movie is in production. TND is one example, Spectre is another they started filming while rewrites were happening. Dalton complained in 1989 about LTK not sure if that was script based or production problems.

EON has gotten away with half measures for decades, not sure if they are doing the same now or have a plan for a shake up and want the publicity at the right moment.
One thing they have failed miserably at is the talk of a new Bond has dominated the news cycle for two years now, EON lost control of that narrative when Craig threatened to slash his wrist and told his replacement not to be sh't. IMO Craig returning would be a let down to so many interested in the recast and new direction. It would be the same old same old with EON and Craig talking about how it's different this time and this is how Bond finally becomes bond. A fresh face and new ideas would be welcome a decade plus some after CR. Brosnan only got 7 years as Bond, Connery had 5 year run returning twice once for eon and one unofficial film. Dalton had a 2 year run, lazenby 1 either because he was stuipid or the studio wanted him gone(???), Moore had 12 years and stayed too long but probably worked the hardest making 7 movies.
IMO it's more than time for a change.


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[Dalton exMI6]

I have recently joined this website and I am very glad that there now is an available forum section on this website. To date, MI6 and Commanderbond.net have been the major players in the discussion of Daniel Craig's first outing as James Bond in Casino Royale. The problem with the other forum sites has been whenever a member with contrary views to either Craig or CR has posted their opinions, they are immediately attacked, like a swarm of bees, ridiculed, mocked, cursed at, defamed, and belittled by the masses of pro-Craig/CR members. Those two other sites are overwhelmingly in favor of the direction that Eon has taken with the Bond franchise. The minority of members in both of those sites have found it hard to debate fairly and intelligently any counter reviews or beliefs to Casino Royale. Both sites have there pitbull attack dogs ready to go whenever someone even hints that CR with DC is no longer a Bond film, no longer part of the historic franchise,and no longer recognizable as what it should be. CR was more successful at the international box office than it was in the USA. I hope this particular forum site can grow with members who in a cordial manner can openly debate various dissenting opinions of what Daniel Craig has done to the Bond franchise. By the time the next Bond film comes out, in November 2008, I hope this forum site has gathered a sizable amount of new members whose contrary opinions are appreciated, not attacked.

I am replying to your post ten years after you wrote it. Still as true then as it is now! Everything you described eventually happened to me and it was splendid to read your objective perspective. I was a long time member of Mi6 and it took me a few days to work out on joining, that to survive there, you had to be nice about Craig.

I admit that my survival strategy of appeasement backfired, but I thought that by hanging in there, I could convince others to smell the coffee. And, yes I drank the coolaid for a while .

But, once I eventually began to fight the b**lsh*t and criticise Craig, I began to create enemies and in the end was attacked by like you say : "A swarm of bees."

No matter how intelligently one argues, they will hit you with sarcasm and then provoke you to hit back and then contact a moderator to make out you started it.

I appreciate that here on CNB, one can express freely without being ridiculed. Within reason of course, because someone talking rubbish should be challenged.

As for the charge of being called not a fan of Bond for disliking Craggers, I had to laugh as my mother was a friend of the late Bob Simmons, who only happened to be Connery's stunt double as well being the stunt arranger for many years.

My ultimate point is that the pro-Craig forums use intimidation as a tactic, and I know of many people who keep their true feelings about Craig hidden, as they know they will be ganged up against. Path of least resistance.

And why did it take me so long to join Here? I was one of those idiots who thought that being loyal to EON, was being loyal to Cubby Broccoli. The truth is that being loyal to Craig, is disloyal to the legacy of Cubby's standards in leading man.

Better late than never, I guess.

Yes Dalton Ex-MI6, it's been almost 10 years to the date, that I left that MI6 site and came here The MI6 website that you left NOW is NOT the same forum it was 10 years ago. They shut that one down for some strange reason, and resurrected it into the current version. In either case, they are both EON shills. They admitted to me that their website is not a democracy, and they locked the most viewed and replied to thread I started there, because they obviously saw what was being written was not in their indoctrination agenda. I never bothered with them again. Cr-egg is NOT Bond Period I hate his presence in the role with a deep passion. What Connery stories can you share with us that you were told by your mother?

Thanks for the reply bjmdds. It is great to connect with real Bond fans free of the pollution and revisionism of the Craig era.

As for Bob Simmons, my mother talked more about life in general with him. She used to shop in a delicatessen called Delicatessen Stores in Northfields in West London. He happened to be there one day in 1986 and the owner who was close friends with him introduced my mother to him. And he lived very close to there. She initially got to know him being ignorant of the fact he was involved with Bond. Later the owner told her that he was responsible for the action in many Bond films.

Here is the rub. She told Bob Simmons after a few meetings in the shop, that she would invite him once our house-which was in the throes of a major refurbishment - was finished. My mother did not want him to see our house in a bad state, as she wanted to make a good impression, especially as she knew he was involved with the Bond films. She had a complex about that.

So, in late 1987, after pressure from me, as I was a new Bond fan, she phoned him to invite him over only to learn from the person who answered, that he had recently died.

An absolute bummer, as I would have loved to have got to know him. She said he was such a nice person and was so down to earth.

My mother regretted his passing and it served as a valuable lesson to not take anything for granted. As they say tomorrow never comes.

I apologise for not having a Connery or Moore story from him, but that is the honest to God truth.

[Dalton exMI6]

Welcome Dalton exMI6!!!
I've begun to wonder if they are Bond fans or EON fans. Some of the same people who crucified us for not being on board with Craig were the biggest brosnan fan boys.
Could be just wanting to be close to the phenomenon Bond is/was no matter what.


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Thanks Omega. I am amazed how a Brosnan fan could be into Craggers. If Brosnan is sweet wine, then Craig is vinegar.

As you say, some people respect Craig based on box office performance. Especially so after Skyfall took over one billion dollars, I noticed a stronger reluctance to go against the grain. Some confuse financial success with quality.

well I know of some who where frantically pro brosnan to drop him like hot rock two years late, then there were those who hated Craig then CR got critical praise changed their minds . Whoever likes him genuinely is fine, I like parts of each of his movies just not him as bond.

But the sf bo is his main defending pint now, basically the equivalent of transformers aimed at the British audience.


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Hello Omega. You are correct in your observations about some Brosnan fans who jumped to Craig once the media told them it was ok to do so. Talk about fairweather fans. It also shows that thinking for yourself is in short supply.

For instance, my enthusiasm for Dalton has not changed since 1987. I think he is a great Bond. And Brosnan certainly fitted the part like a glove, though his take was less intense than Dalton. And, Brosnan looked great.

Just watching Craggers inadequacy for the part in Skyfall, as this was supposed to be the film where he became the fully fledged Bond makes my blood boil. He looks so below average and image is a big part of Bond. If any Bond woman looked the equivalent of Craggers, the media and fans would crucify her.

And on top of Craig looking atrocious for the part, he has the personality of a robot. How the f**k can he be compared to Connery? Apart from having two legs, two arms and eyes. But, there are morons who will try to convince you that they are one and the same. I guess ice is scolding hot too!

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[Dalton exMI6]

Can anyone fathom why there has been no Bond news since Spectre? It's as if EON are ignoring Bond as much as they can. Craig remains silent as to if he'll return. The concern is Turner will be snapped up by another film series before his potential to be James Bond is realised. Especially if his name is linked to the part in the press. He'll become hot property for a studio, and if nothing happens with Bond, then he at not wait for the part.

EON never seems to pay attention to Bond until just before production begins, usually finishing the script while the movie is in production. TND is one example, Spectre is another they started filming while rewrites were happening. Dalton complained in 1989 about LTK not sure if that was script based or production problems.

EON has gotten away with half measures for decades, not sure if they are doing the same now or have a plan for a shake up and want the publicity at the right moment.
One thing they have failed miserably at is the talk of a new Bond has dominated the news cycle for two years now, EON lost control of that narrative when Craig threatened to slash his wrist and told his replacement not to be sh't. IMO Craig returning would be a let down to so many interested in the recast and new direction. It would be the same old same old with EON and Craig talking about how it's different this time and this is how Bond finally becomes bond. A fresh face and new ideas would be welcome a decade plus some after CR. Brosnan only got 7 years as Bond, Connery had 5 year run returning twice once for eon and one unofficial film. Dalton had a 2 year run, lazenby 1 either because he was stuipid or the studio wanted him gone(???), Moore had 12 years and stayed too long but probably worked the hardest making 7 movies.
IMO it's more than time for a change.


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I certainly have stopped caring about the franchise since Craig. EON will have Craig back no matter how much he insults them. Craig is like an abusive relationship for the franchise. The days of Saltzman /Broccoli are truly behind us. Craig is holding the reigns to EON for now.

[bjmdds]

It's 100% all Broccoli's influence. Her love affair for this porcine dolt is abnormal and has ruined what Bond stands for.