The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[shaken not stirred]

Spectre's budget was definitely over $300 million.....a truly amazing amount of money to be spent on a film! .............and that was confirmed, in what i have just read from one of the British newspapers as a review from an early screening of the film!

The reviewer gave the film a 4/5 rating stating that the first half of the film 'Spectre', is as good a Bond action adventure could ever be...............but then states that the second half of the film is not so good, as the film delves into Bond's emotions and his past!

Well...........sort of what i expected it to be from a Sam Mendes directed Bond film............disappointed though to here the reviewer didnt like the 2nd half of the film so much.............i hope its not too wishy washy with small talk................anyway, the bulk of the reviews should be out by the end of the week, so wait to until then, to get an overall feel for the film.

The review came from 'The Independant' which you can read online

Spectre, film review: An exhilarating James Bond spectacle that really didn't need to add depth

EA

So.....4/5 despite hating the final half, shouldn't it be atleast a 3 or so then?.

[bjmdds]

It should be a front loaded box office that will be fast out of the gate, then tail off, just like the second half of the film supposedly does. If the opening weekend does under $80 million in the USA, MGM and Sony will not be pleased.

[English Agent]

It should be a front loaded box office that will be fast out of the gate, then tail off, just like the second half of the film supposedly does. If the opening weekend does under $80 million in the USA, MGM and Sony will not be pleased.

Well, since i posted only a short while ago...........a couple of other reviews have popped up on the internet.........both which were in a more favourable view..............and some interesting bits of added info!

Regarding the BO.............difficult to gauge the US in particular, but apparently the film does have some competition on its opening weekend there, as i believe there's a 'Peanuts Movie' opening, in which parents may opt to take their kids to see, instead of going on their own to see Spectre!

[Alessandra]

Hi EA! Let me tell you this: the novelization on here will shockingly surprise you for how accurate it is. Same as the film, in fact.

I just read Variety's review and the dude who wrote it is ridiculously kissing ass LOL. Excuse my French. I just can't deal with this level of absurd praise for a film that I KNOW FOR A FACT is freaking TERRIBLE. And I really do mean TERRIBLE.

I warmly recommend to go read the novelization on here. It's spot on, but it's MUCH more entertaining than the movie, I assure you.

And, trust me on this one, the second half is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Just the "falling in love" part, by itself, is SO freaking ridiculous it will make you roll your eyes more than CR did with that ridiculous sugary stuff. I kid you not.

[bjmdds]

Frances Lai, The Upcoming:
"Unfortunately, Waltz’s limitless talents as a commanding character actor are wasted on Franz Oberhauser,

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the nebulous figurehead of SPECTRE

, who turns out, inevitably, to have a personal vendetta against Bond. The characterisation of Bond’s nemesis proves to lack depth and substance. Ultimately, Spectre is barely suitable as a mindless action flick, and a long way from becoming a classic in the James Bond franchise. After more than 20 films, it is of course difficult to fashion a Bond film that will last the ages. Nonetheless, modern audiences are still waiting for a simply satisfactory one in recent memory." Verdict: 2 out of 5 stars

[bjmdds]

Michael Roddy:yahoo.com: New Bond 'Spectre' plays like a swan song, and a long one: LONDON (Reuters) - It may be no coincidence that Agent 007's latest love interest, played by French actress Lea Seydoux in the new James Bond movie "Spectre," is called Madeleine Swann, because the film seems like a swan song for some of the participants. But this slick but overlong, at well over two hours, outing that takes viewers on an armchair journey from Mexico City to London to Rome to Austria to Tunisia and then back to London, has a somewhat tired feel about it, as if it had overgorged on a diet of Aston Martin cars, Omega watches and Belvedere vodka - among the main product placements.

[Omega]

Weird I just read a review that seemed to praise Craigs "handsome shrek face and bat like ears " then went on about Snowden


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[TROLLY]

Spectre begins with the gunbarrel sequence, (for the first time, since 2002) where it should be.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/review ... punch.html

That automatically makes it Daniel Craig's best Bond film to date, in my opinion.

[Veronica]

Hi EA! Let me tell you this: the novelization on here will shockingly surprise you for how accurate it is. Same as the film, in fact.

I just read Variety's review and the dude who wrote it is ridiculously kissing ass LOL. Excuse my French. I just can't deal with this level of absurd praise for a film that I KNOW FOR A FACT is freaking TERRIBLE. And I really do mean TERRIBLE.

I warmly recommend to go read the novelization on here. It's spot on, but it's MUCH more entertaining than the movie, I assure you.

And, trust me on this one, the second half is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Just the "falling in love" part, by itself, is SO freaking ridiculous it will make you roll your eyes more than CR did with that ridiculous sugary stuff. I kid you not.

Wait...something is more ridiculous than the whole Vesper and Bond thing in CR? I can hardly believe it.

[Veronica]

Spectre begins with the gunbarrel sequence, (for the first time, since 2002) where it should be.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/review ... punch.html

That automatically makes it Daniel Craig's best Bond film to date, in my opinion.

Skyfall's emotional punch? Yawn. Craig being the best thing about the film?
COMPARING HIM TO ROGER MOORE?!?!?!?! Please,do not insult Sir Roger. I can already see the faces of fanboys when they read that-since some of them are so keen that Craig is everything Moore wasn't and he is great because of that.

[Veronica]

I was reading the Guardian review and honestly wanted to throw up my breakfast.
It says Craig is one of the best Bonds and an equal to Connery. Every time I read that I die a little inside.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Spectre begins with the gunbarrel sequence, (for the first time, since 2002) where it should be.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/review ... punch.html

That automatically makes it Daniel Craig's best Bond film to date, in my opinion.

But is the gunbarrel the slick, still modern looking, tip of the hat design to Binder of the Brosnan films? Or is it like the shitty, overly CGI'd designs of CR/QOS & SF?

[James]

89% on RT last time I looked but several of the reviews are of the 3/5 type - which of course is counted as positive. General consensus from the reviews I skimmed is that it's Skyfall 2 but nowhere near as good. It looks as if the insane mass hysteria (demanding an Oscar nomination for best film etc) that greeted Skyfall will not transpire this time. As already pointed out, it's interesting that the villain hasn't made much of an impression on the critics at all.

[shaken not stirred]

I was reading the Guardian review and honestly wanted to throw up my breakfast.
It says Craig is one of the best Bonds and an equal to Connery. Every time I read that I die a little inside.

The guardian (along with most videogame reviewers today) are a joke, games like mgs5 (half finished game btw) got 4/5 for great gameplay (but terrible story and the story is the driving point of mgs series), people seem to be so blindly praising this joke of a franchise today, it's sickening, so what one min craig says sod bond and hates his fans now they'll all forgive him....what irony, if any other actor did this I wouldn't be happy with them but Craig gets a free pass.

Craig bond films aren't good for My health, they're too dull, artsy and suicidal feeling for My taste, also hearing what the villains motives are and a good first half and a ridicilous disappointing final half, just what the hell are some people smoking, yeah 5 out of 5 [BBvideo 425,350][/BBvideo] (My opinion on blind fans who will follow anything despite its flaws..also the plot of sf in general). Sheep really are sheep.

Best Bond since Connery yeah ok, Brosnan after Connery than Moore, I always call the reboot series bob the spy (Craig was never on the list for Me) ( I see no bond).

[shaken not stirred]

89% on RT last time I looked but several of the reviews are of the 3/5 type - which of course is counted as positive. General consensus from the reviews I skimmed is that it's Skyfall 2 but nowhere near as good. It looks as if the insane mass hysteria (demanding an Oscar nomination for best film etc) that greeted Skyfall will not transpire this time. As already pointed out, it's interesting that the villain hasn't made much of an impression on the critics at all.

Every single one of the villains in the reboot bond era have been dull as beep with no real rhyme or reason for what they do, cr: oh no I lost all My money, revenge, qos: let's steal some water....then possibly....some rocks (muhaha), sf: mummy didn't love me, must kill mummy (seriously what the beep happened to the great bond villains of yesteryear who wanted to start wars, use lasers on spaceships, steal diamonds and god knows what else, it's like we have bond economy villains now (will the next one be in charge of bloody wall street (why not, maybe his henchman will be one of the checkout boys from beeping asda) (sorry I hate this praise this pos movie is getting and there's nothing we can do about it ( I need to see the kingsman now and get this beep franchise out of My head now beep this..sorry).

[Atticus]

Spectre begins with the gunbarrel sequence, (for the first time, since 2002) where it should be.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/review ... punch.html

That automatically makes it Daniel Craig's best Bond film to date, in my opinion.

The fact that the gun barrel appears at the beginning with Vladimir Putin, I mean Craig, automatically makes it the worst Bond film ever in my opinion.

[Atticus]

I was reading the Guardian review and honestly wanted to throw up my breakfast.
It says Craig is one of the best Bonds and an equal to Connery. Every time I read that I die a little inside.

That Guardian piece is so obviously a puff piece commissioned by Sony or something. It doesn't even have an ounce of critical thinking. And, not to get blatantly political, it's also a left-wing publication, so it's not surprising it gives such a high praise for something from Craig and Mendes (both avowed leftists) and favors the overall PC-approach of the reboot.

[shaken not stirred]

The playlists thoughts on spectre:

SPECTRE: Quantum Of Solace 2: This Time It's Personal. Bad action, lousy plotting, Lea Seydoux only redeeming feature.

From marziepanic: https://twitter.com/marziepanic, his review on it: http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/review/spectre.php

(This bit in particular is very interesting )

As a result, it is Spectre's failings that are more obvious and will become more memorable over time: a problem with pacing, badly contrived plot points, a big reveal that has the stinky whiff of Austin Powers about it and a film that has designs on being an epic game-changer while just falling short of that promise.

It also gives us an important lesson to take away at this point in the 007 franchise. The more you define Bond as a real person, the more you paint him into a corner. At this point, it could easily be argued that the best way to make an interesting Bond movie is not to try to make Bond himself interesting, like this film so clumsily tries to do, but rather to have a well-laid out, compelling story to tell (something that this film lacks) and just have Bond be his usual caricature self throughout it all. It feels time now to just let Bond be Bond. - See more at: http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/review/spec ... cGUsE.dpuf

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review ... iew-833833

We can normally measure a Bond film by the quality of its villain, and Austrian double Oscar-winner Waltz certainly gives good evil, spritzing up Oberhauser with a light fizz of mirth and mischief. But he is hampered by a script which fails to make his long-standing grudge against Bond plausible, and provides zero motives for his power-hungry schemes. His big revelation in the final half hour will come as no great shock to anyone even vaguely familiar with the early 007 films. It feels like the filmmakers have been bluffing a great poker hand for two hours before throwing down a pair of threes.
In pure action adventure terms, Spectre delivers the goods, with plenty of revved-up supercar porn and several kinetic high-speed chase sequences on road, river and snowy mountain slope. Thomas Newman's busy score amps up the pulse-racing bombast, smartly invoking operatic melodrama in Rome and sinewy Arabic folk music in Morocco. Sam Smith's flimsy theme song is a weak entry in the canon of 007 classics, but admittedly it sounds better blasting out of huge cinematic speakers as Daniel Kleinman's gorgeous, gothic title credits billow across the screen. Spectre contains enough dazzle and derring-do to keep the Bond brand afloat, but not enough to make it a game-changing reboot in the manner of Skyfall. Two steps forward, one step back.

[shaken not stirred]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/h ... mes-833474 How Sony Could Lose James Bond After Bloated 'Spectre' (Analysis)

[Veronica]

I DEFINITELY agree with the part for which shaken said it is particulary interesting.

As for the villain of this movie:

"Bond movies are only as good as their villains."-Colin Firth in Kingsman.