The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

I personally think Craig will do just one more Bond film, as he may be too old to do another after that.

He is starting to show his age.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

I personally think Craig will do just one more Bond film, as he may be too old to do another after that.

We should be so lucky. He'll make about 4 more movies as he has nothing else to do.

[Dr. No]

anybody see this http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArt ... 4981707118 ?

Second mention of a gay scene. I don't know who these people are , I don't want to believe they'd put something like this in a Bond film then I remember who is making them.

[bjmdds]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

[The Saint 007]

A fan made trailer of Timothy Dalton in Property Of A Lady:

Pretty interesting concept.

[The Sweeney]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

[Dr. No]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

I should of said I don't know who the people claiming this are, I would have paid it no never mind before.
This is the second queer come on mentioned in the reviews, Q and the Villain, I would hope they didn't do this. I don't care about gay characters or actors, just that Bond and Q shouldn't be used for it.

[Dr. No]

A fan made trailer of Timothy Dalton in Property Of A Lady:

Pretty interesting concept.

They did a good job of it.

[katied]

I heard about the homoerotic stuff between Bond and Silva....if it's true..shoehorned in much?

[bjmdds]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

Judge this Sweeney: "At one point in the movie, Silva, a blond-haired cyber terrorist who has a complicated history with Bond's superior M, is seen [SPOILER ALERT!] holding Bond prisoner when they first meet at the villain's lair. Silva ties 007 to a chair and he shows some gestures that indicate he's into the license-to-kill agent. Commenting on it, director Mendes says, "I think there's a huge homoerotic undertow in a lot of Bond movies. And there's a lot of camp, too. And I wanted to embrace that." He adds, "Then Javier took it on and shifted it to another level on the day we shot it. The way he undoes the buttons of Bond's shirt, I was very particular about pushing the discomfort. I said to Javier, 'You're f***ing with him.' Is he into Bond or does he just want to freak him out?"

[Napoleon Solo]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

Judge this Sweeney: "At one point in the movie, Silva, a blond-haired cyber terrorist who has a complicated history with Bond's superior M, is seen [SPOILER ALERT!] holding Bond prisoner when they first meet at the villain's lair. Silva ties 007 to a chair and he shows some gestures that indicate he's into the license-to-kill agent. Commenting on it, director Mendes says, "I think there's a huge homoerotic undertow in a lot of Bond movies. And there's a lot of camp, too. And I wanted to embrace that." He adds, "Then Javier took it on and shifted it to another level on the day we shot it. The way he undoes the buttons of Bond's shirt, I was very particular about pushing the discomfort. I said to Javier, 'You're f***ing with him.' Is he into Bond or does he just want to freak him out?"

Both Richard Maibaum and Paul Dehn racked their brains trying to come up for a reason why Goldfinger didn't just kill Bond when he had the chance. Neither liked the way Fleming's novel handled it (Bond talking Goldfinger into hiring him as his secretary). When Dehn took over from Maibaum one of his drafts suggested Goldfinger had some kind of attraction to Bond. This, of course, never made it to the screen. (Source: Adrian Turner on Goldfinger, 1998 book).

[katied]

OK, I'll be the one to say it:they're rehashing stuff from previous movies.

[bjmdds]

http://www.northjersey.com/arts_enterta ... c=y&page=1

[bjmdds]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

Judge this Sweeney: "At one point in the movie, Silva, a blond-haired cyber terrorist who has a complicated history with Bond's superior M, is seen [SPOILER ALERT!] holding Bond prisoner when they first meet at the villain's lair. Silva ties 007 to a chair and he shows some gestures that indicate he's into the license-to-kill agent. Commenting on it, director Mendes says, "I think there's a huge homoerotic undertow in a lot of Bond movies. And there's a lot of camp, too. And I wanted to embrace that." He adds, "Then Javier took it on and shifted it to another level on the day we shot it. The way he undoes the buttons of Bond's shirt, I was very particular about pushing the discomfort. I said to Javier, 'You're f***ing with him.' Is he into Bond or does he just want to freak him out?"

Both Richard Maibaum and Paul Dehn racked their brains trying to come up for a reason why Goldfinger didn't just kill Bond when he had the chance. Neither liked the way Fleming's novel handled it (Bond talking Goldfinger into hiring him as his secretary). When Dehn took over from Maibaum one of his drafts suggested Goldfinger had some kind of attraction to Bond. This, of course, never made it to the screen. (Source: Adrian Turner on Goldfinger, 1998 book).

Then call it Goldfingered

[The Sweeney]

It's all over No, all over. MGM must buy out Eon. NO Broccoli/Wilson influences any longer.

I'm not overly convinced on these gay rumours. I need to see the film for myself to judge this.

Judge this Sweeney: "At one point in the movie, Silva, a blond-haired cyber terrorist who has a complicated history with Bond's superior M, is seen [SPOILER ALERT!] holding Bond prisoner when they first meet at the villain's lair. Silva ties 007 to a chair and he shows some gestures that indicate he's into the license-to-kill agent. Commenting on it, director Mendes says, "I think there's a huge homoerotic undertow in a lot of Bond movies. And there's a lot of camp, too. And I wanted to embrace that." He adds, "Then Javier took it on and shifted it to another level on the day we shot it. The way he undoes the buttons of Bond's shirt, I was very particular about pushing the discomfort. I said to Javier, 'You're f***ing with him.' Is he into Bond or does he just want to freak him out?"

Both Richard Maibaum and Paul Dehn racked their brains trying to come up for a reason why Goldfinger didn't just kill Bond when he had the chance. Neither liked the way Fleming's novel handled it (Bond talking Goldfinger into hiring him as his secretary). When Dehn took over from Maibaum one of his drafts suggested Goldfinger had some kind of attraction to Bond. This, of course, never made it to the screen. (Source: Adrian Turner on Goldfinger, 1998 book).

TMWTGG also hinted at homosexual undertones. This article explores many of the potential homosexual theories on Fleming's last novel - http://commanderbond.net/1110/sex-and-t ... n-gun.html

It seems to me a lot of this and YOLT has been the basis of Skyfall, even down to the apperarance of the villain, although I never imagined Scaramanga to be camp.

[Mazer Rackham]

Fleming on homosexuality wouldn't be acceptable today. To his credit he didn't ignore it as many of his contemporaries did, probably because of his own hyper sexuality mixed with curiosity about all flavors of sex.
Wint and Kidd with Fleming's explanations of them wouldn't go far with today sensibilities.

Of course there is the gay element to Craig himself, aside from the gayness out of the sea scene in CR, imitating Ursula Andress in Dr No some 40 year earlier and Halle Berry not 4 years prior, Craig had built up a niche with gay audiences long before Bond was a possibility to him.

Problem with the Bond audience if they are not a lot of new comers, it's the same people, families sometimes who all go each time to the movies. Craig was supposed to bring in the young edgy films fans failed at that but manged not to lose all the old timers either.
IF these situations described are not handled right they risk damaging Bond. Hang the books, it's the movies these people know, one improper taboo scene could alienate a segment of fans. Not just Christan and backwoods people, other religious group could feel offended around the world. Not going to play well in Tehran tell you that right now.

It's sensationalized right now the movie may be tamer and more restrained.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

A fan made trailer of Timothy Dalton in Property Of A Lady:

Pretty interesting concept.

Pure. Undiluted. Awesomeness.

[shaken not stirred]

Christ they're really gonna have bond go both ways and a male villain hitting on him...that's what happens when you bloody get Sam (I'll try and make this into American Beauty) Mendez to make a bond film, I really don't want to see that, christ what are kids gonna think when they see that, their hero having that happen, I've got nothing against homosexuals but even if the villains were camp in Flemings novels and the earlier bond films they never hit on bond, it's like Babs took camp from the old films and literlally took it as camp instead of camp in the adam west batman way.

Fleming would be spinning in his grave, how can anyone defend this, if true it's done even more damage than putting bond in drag, this is artistic integrity for you, f**king up everything once great about a true british cinematic icon who's purpose is solely for escapism not morbid, dreary, pc, pandering to some horny green vegetable, tell you what babs if someone had the chance to make a female james bond (me for instance) as a spinoff and like you I wanted her to strut naked most of the time (like you do daniel and Bardem as well going from that interview) and have a lesbian villain hit on her how would you feel because that's exactly what you're doing here, but hell that's artistic am I right?.

FBF count in another former bond fan this franchise is deader then dracula (cept it's not dead and loving it) to be excited for such crap is beyond Me, if eon's going for shock than they'll be shocked when they've suddenly pissed off a great deal of people, then sadly there will be people defending that scene then saying oh but Flemings bond was the same and this is the closest to the blah blah blah, what next bond picking up children? because you know that would be a shock and brilliant wouldn't it eon, please give us an oscar (which no bond film regardless of quality should ever get because they're what they are (or were) they're not character driven dribble with complexity bs, he's a spy for f**k sake I don't care about bond personally we're not supposed to know much about him anyway, that's what we like about him, that's like getting batman to come down as himself and go into councilling complaining about climbing rooftops or being too cold).

Sweeney: I wish you luck when watching the film and again I have nothing against you like all of us here you're a well respected member, we all have our different views and you respect the bond of old as well as Flemings novels, I only hope these rumors of bond doing this or whatever are false because if they're not even if bond isn't, one scene could ruin everything.

I know I made that speech about leaving earlier this week but after hearing this I'll be damned if I leave, even if this pile of smeg continues real bond will go on in the hearts and minds of all the true fans, if craig stays on longer it means jack to Me, this new reboot won't even get it's 40 years it may have a few more years but I'll be damned if I see it lasting longer if it carries on like this, when the economy starts picking up and more quality films are made, bond will once again be stuck back in its cave and that's what happens when you betray your roots, he'll be left with all the other generic me too gritty then thou for the sake of being gritty for no god reason films. Avengers sold well for a reason, gritty only works with so many things & with everything trying to be the same it's only a matter of time till people get fed up and move on.

Skyfall coming to a tate art gallery near you soon, should be to the left of the mona lisa, oh an oscar woo f**king hoo.

Sorry for My language guys all the praise I see and hear for this film makes Me sick to My stomache, funnily enough re6 got a lot of praise from all the usual (who got paid off) and then one reviewer who gave a good review decided to break out of it and give his real view (and he hated it) then after the game was released or very close to it it got some great scores and some really bad scores (and became very mixed as a result), I don't know if the same thing will happen here but if it does then you can definetly expect the sky to fall, I'm almost ashamed to call Myself a bond fan today , thanks a lot barbs.

[JackWade CIA]

I think Skyfall will be Daniel Craig’s swan song. I’m told it bookends the newly minted agent in Casino Royale letting Craig play the most interesting part of James Bond’s career.

[The Saint 007]

I think Skyfall will be Daniel Craig’s swan song. I’m told it bookends the newly minted agent in Casino Royale letting Craig play the most interesting part of James Bond’s career.

I hope that Skyfall will be Craig's swan song, but I somehow doubt it. Between Craig's career being rather stale currently, and the producers obsession of having him beat Roger Moore's Bond film record, it seems that Craig could possibly stay in the role for a while longer. I think the film will have to do pretty poorly in order to get Craig to retire early.