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Kristatos wrote:I want to check that he actually said it before passing judgement. It could be a fake quote.
could be, a few of those going around. It sounds like something he'd say which is why its believable

Just thinking about George Lucas red tails which was more a insult to the tuskegee airmen than a picture that highlighted their heroism . But Lucas felt good about making a half assed White WWII movie with a black cast. At least Spielberg is a lot better than that with his attempts


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Omega wrote:
Kristatos wrote:I want to check that he actually said it before passing judgement. It could be a fake quote.
could be, a few of those going around. It sounds like something he'd say which is why its believable
I just googled it and it's corroborated by multiple reputable news outlets, so probably not fake.
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I could not access this forum for hours again today from both Safari and Google Chrome. I was able to access this website, just not the forum. The screen says this: This site can’t be reached

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Tim Robey/independent.ie--August 5 2017------Comment: Why Daniel Craig should not play Bond again---The ‘novelty’ value of appointing a new face to the iconic role of James Bond is the biggest threat to Daniel Craig’s tenureship, writes Tim Robey. If he is kept on though, don’t viewers deserve to see a return of the brutish animal magnetism that got him hired in the first place? When Daniel Craig took over as 007 in the 2006 Bond film Casino Royale, he brought some exciting new attributes to the role. First among them was his bruiser quality: he looked more likely to scramble out of a bare-knuckle boxing ring than tux up for pre-dinner cocktails. This was a palpably different Bond from any we had seen – one with less of a debonair eyebrow game and more of an edge of menace. He meant business, and the business was mean. Whether he still means it is a whole other question. Last week, a report from the New York Times suggested that his return for Bond 25 was a “done deal” — despite his previous much-quoted statement, since recanted, that he’d rather “slash his own wrists” than step back into the role. But would the Bond films be better off without him? Bond fans love to hate Craig’s second 007 film, Quantum of Solace, for its haphazard action scenes, lack of memorable villains and a title even more meaningless than Never Say Never Again. But there’s a strong case for the defence — and it partly hinges on Craig, whose performance in it is his best as Bond by a mile. The film’s terseness — suicidally un-Bond-like, in some eyes — suited his own. He was rarely saddled with extraneous dialogue or bad jokes. Plus, the death of Eva Green’s Vesper Lynd in the previous outing gave him rare follow-through motivation bubbling under the surface. You could forget the wholly forgettable plot unfolding, and just concentrate on his residual grief and fury. But after Skyfall and Spectre — on which more in a second — the vicious lustre of Craig’s Bond has well and truly faded. His age isn’t a problem — Roger Moore was 57 when had his last hurrah as Bond A View to a Kill, with its hilarious over-reliance on stunt doubles, came out, and Craig isn’t even quite 50. But all the least interesting aspects of Craig’s Bond have lately curdled his persona, turning him into a stiff, Madame Tussauds version of himself. It’s time for a change. For a start, he’s hopeless at being funny. Say what you like about Moore, but he got on the wavelength of those cheesy wisecracks, making even the lamest ones strangely endearing. When Craig attempts one — “Got into some deep water” in Skyfall springs to mind — the level of cringe goes through the roof. He just can’t do it. It’s partly the writers’ fault, for neither appreciating this limitation nor giving Craig better jokes to work with. But his company, like that of any prickly and humourless party guest, is becoming awfully hard work. As for giving Bond sex appeal? Most would point to Connery as the all-round winner in this area, but those famously bulging swimming trunks in Casino Royale could well bag Craig a silver medal. He had a brutish animal magnetism when he took over — so where has it gone? Find me a scene in Spectre, say, which anyone would voluntarily rewind because Daniel Craig is so unforgettably magnetic. Cavorting with Monica Bellucci in that Italian villa? It’s Bellucci, surely, doing all the head-turning. Some said after Craig’s casting that the attitude he gave off was a welcome throwback to the “true” Bond of Ian Fleming’s vision: not a suave operator but a ruthless one, with little time for the after-hours innuendo. It’s true that Craig ditched the come-hither posturing of the Moore and Brosnan years, the sense of vanity. His defining moment in his first ever fight sequence in Casino Royale was when he came crashing down through a building site: on hitting the ground, he merely shook his head to fend off concussion, and continued on. It was clear there would be no Brosnan-esque smarm on his watch. Still, this down-and-dirty machismo has been a less enduring boon than we might have hoped. Contrast Timothy Dalton — the most underrated Bond forever — who managed to act the part better than anyone, save perhaps Connery on a good day. This will be controversial, but I don’t think any of Craig’s Bond pictures beats the grit and romance of The Living Daylights (1987), as technically tatty around the edges as it may look these days. Dalton, balancing Bond’s angst and professionalism with a skill we took for granted, deserved better than two Bond films — certainly in a franchise which is about to hand Craig a fifth, maybe even a sixth. Alas, the paltry box office sealed Dalton’s fate. For all their pros and cons, every one of the candidates who have been dangled to succeed Craig — Tom Hardy, Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba, Michael Fassbender — has a massive advantage over him: novelty. Because the formula is getting stale. Sam Mendes’s much-vaunted directing role on the last two films has attracted world-class cinematographers, to look on the bright side, but it hasn’t brought the best out of Craig at all. He hasn’t looked like he’s enjoying himself. Playing Bond must be unbelievably hard work — long days, arduous location shoots, daunting pressure to live up to the brief. But it shouldn’t look like such hard work, or an audience is likely to get depressed. Connery always pulled it off and kept a sense of fun, a spring in his step, right up to being lured back for Diamonds are Forever (1971). Craig, at this point, emits such grudging enthusiasm for the job that throwing in the towel would only be good for him — and us. :up:
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bjmdds wrote:I could not access this forum for hours again today from both Safari and Google Chrome. I was able to access this website, just not the forum. The screen says this: This site can’t be reached

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I had the same problem the other day, but it seems to be OK now.
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If we are both having the same issues, what's up here? This started a week ago for me. The website can be accessed, but not the forum, for minutes or hours at a time suddenly. I assume everyone has this issue?
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bjmdds wrote:If we are both having the same issues, what's up here? This started a week ago for me. The website can be accessed, but not the forum, for minutes or hours at a time suddenly. I assume everyone has this issue?
To, clarify, it only happened to me once. But I mostly use Tapatalk to access the forum, so maybe people using the desktop version have it worse.
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Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:If we are both having the same issues, what's up here? This started a week ago for me. The website can be accessed, but not the forum, for minutes or hours at a time suddenly. I assume everyone has this issue?
To, clarify, it only happened to me once. But I mostly use Tapatalk to access the forum, so maybe people using the desktop version have it worse.
I'm always on tapatalk haven't seen a problem. Sounds like the server for classic is crashing, the database is working fine because that's what tapatalk uses. I think it's what the app uses cause I never see the icons or emoticons the web version has.


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I could not get onto the forum again the past hour, until now.
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I was checking it in the web browser all afternoon never caught the failure


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Since this post and my last I reloaded the forum in the safari browser at least once an hour. Beside raising the hit count I've not found a problem.
Whoever is hosting sucks. Then again the Database hasn't crashed like it used to for years.


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Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:I could not access this forum for hours again today from both Safari and Google Chrome. I was able to access this website, just not the forum. The screen says this: This site can’t be reached

classicbond.com refused to connect.
I had the same problem the other day, but it seems to be OK now.
:picard: :picard: all the work did nothing :picard: :picard:
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
Does it say Server refused connection?
Been running test all morning. Only failure so far is
(100) Authenticate failed. Reason: 'Authentication failed because the remote party has closed the transport stream.'.

No idea what this is.
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Tweaked a few things. Please post any further errors so I can try to fix them. We should be able to block ad content now too.
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going to try one more thing, forum might not be visible for awhile.
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Trying to move our host server, the forum will go down at some point. At least the address will go down temporarily as the move takes place.
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bjmdds wrote:Tim Robey/independent.ie--August 5 2017------Comment: Why Daniel Craig should not play Bond again---The ‘novelty’ value of appointing a new face to the iconic role of James Bond is the biggest threat to Daniel Craig’s tenureship, writes Tim Robey. If he is kept on though, don’t viewers deserve to see a return of the brutish animal magnetism that got him hired in the first place? When Daniel Craig took over as 007 in the 2006 Bond film Casino Royale, he brought some exciting new attributes to the role. First among them was his bruiser quality: he looked more likely to scramble out of a bare-knuckle boxing ring than tux up for pre-dinner cocktails. This was a palpably different Bond from any we had seen – one with less of a debonair eyebrow game and more of an edge of menace. He meant business, and the business was mean. Whether he still means it is a whole other question. Last week, a report from the New York Times suggested that his return for Bond 25 was a “done deal” — despite his previous much-quoted statement, since recanted, that he’d rather “slash his own wrists” than step back into the role. But would the Bond films be better off without him? Bond fans love to hate Craig’s second 007 film, Quantum of Solace, for its haphazard action scenes, lack of memorable villains and a title even more meaningless than Never Say Never Again. But there’s a strong case for the defence — and it partly hinges on Craig, whose performance in it is his best as Bond by a mile. The film’s terseness — suicidally un-Bond-like, in some eyes — suited his own. He was rarely saddled with extraneous dialogue or bad jokes. Plus, the death of Eva Green’s Vesper Lynd in the previous outing gave him rare follow-through motivation bubbling under the surface. You could forget the wholly forgettable plot unfolding, and just concentrate on his residual grief and fury. But after Skyfall and Spectre — on which more in a second — the vicious lustre of Craig’s Bond has well and truly faded. His age isn’t a problem — Roger Moore was 57 when had his last hurrah as Bond A View to a Kill, with its hilarious over-reliance on stunt doubles, came out, and Craig isn’t even quite 50. But all the least interesting aspects of Craig’s Bond have lately curdled his persona, turning him into a stiff, Madame Tussauds version of himself. It’s time for a change. For a start, he’s hopeless at being funny. Say what you like about Moore, but he got on the wavelength of those cheesy wisecracks, making even the lamest ones strangely endearing. When Craig attempts one — “Got into some deep water” in Skyfall springs to mind — the level of cringe goes through the roof. He just can’t do it. It’s partly the writers’ fault, for neither appreciating this limitation nor giving Craig better jokes to work with. But his company, like that of any prickly and humourless party guest, is becoming awfully hard work. As for giving Bond sex appeal? Most would point to Connery as the all-round winner in this area, but those famously bulging swimming trunks in Casino Royale could well bag Craig a silver medal. He had a brutish animal magnetism when he took over — so where has it gone? Find me a scene in Spectre, say, which anyone would voluntarily rewind because Daniel Craig is so unforgettably magnetic. Cavorting with Monica Bellucci in that Italian villa? It’s Bellucci, surely, doing all the head-turning. Some said after Craig’s casting that the attitude he gave off was a welcome throwback to the “true” Bond of Ian Fleming’s vision: not a suave operator but a ruthless one, with little time for the after-hours innuendo. It’s true that Craig ditched the come-hither posturing of the Moore and Brosnan years, the sense of vanity. His defining moment in his first ever fight sequence in Casino Royale was when he came crashing down through a building site: on hitting the ground, he merely shook his head to fend off concussion, and continued on. It was clear there would be no Brosnan-esque smarm on his watch. Still, this down-and-dirty machismo has been a less enduring boon than we might have hoped. Contrast Timothy Dalton — the most underrated Bond forever — who managed to act the part better than anyone, save perhaps Connery on a good day. This will be controversial, but I don’t think any of Craig’s Bond pictures beats the grit and romance of The Living Daylights (1987), as technically tatty around the edges as it may look these days. Dalton, balancing Bond’s angst and professionalism with a skill we took for granted, deserved better than two Bond films — certainly in a franchise which is about to hand Craig a fifth, maybe even a sixth. Alas, the paltry box office sealed Dalton’s fate. For all their pros and cons, every one of the candidates who have been dangled to succeed Craig — Tom Hardy, Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba, Michael Fassbender — has a massive advantage over him: novelty. Because the formula is getting stale. Sam Mendes’s much-vaunted directing role on the last two films has attracted world-class cinematographers, to look on the bright side, but it hasn’t brought the best out of Craig at all. He hasn’t looked like he’s enjoying himself. Playing Bond must be unbelievably hard work — long days, arduous location shoots, daunting pressure to live up to the brief. But it shouldn’t look like such hard work, or an audience is likely to get depressed. Connery always pulled it off and kept a sense of fun, a spring in his step, right up to being lured back for Diamonds are Forever (1971). Craig, at this point, emits such grudging enthusiasm for the job that throwing in the towel would only be good for him — and us. :up:
Why is it if anyone dares to criticize Daniel they feel the need to couch it with loving accolades of what a talented thespian he is and how much he brought to the franchises? I came across two similar articles this week about how it is time for a new 007, one first published in 2012, both authors gingerly dance around openly criticizing Daniel the ageing man-ape, much of their complainants speak to why he was wrong for Bond as well as why this direction Barbara undertook was a mistake. Why can they not just say it plainly? What is it about Daniel that requires he be praised before anything negative be given voice?
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Blowfeld wrote:Why is it if anyone dares to criticize Daniel they feel the need to couch it with loving accolades of what a talented thespian he is and how much he brought to the franchises? I came across two similar articles this week about how it is time for a new 007, one first published in 2012, both authors gingerly dance around openly criticizing Daniel the ageing man-ape, much of their complainants speak to why he was wrong for Bond as well as why this direction Barbara undertook was a mistake. Why can they not just say it plainly? What is it about Daniel that requires he be praised before anything negative be given voice?

I was thinking the exact same thing! There is sort of a best and worst case with all the actors when talking about their films. With Connery he's ether the benchmark all others are compared to, or a sexiest fiend worthy of being burned at the stake, depending on what rag your reading. Lazenby is totally forgotten. Moore is the opposite of Craig, his accolades are couched with criticism or he's dismissed as the "joke Bond" (when they aren't calling him a racist :roll: ). Dalton is considered underrated if he's mentioned at all. Brosnan is given a begrudging credit for Goldeneye re-awaking the sleeping series before getting cut into over how "terrible" he was, or they skip giving credit altogether. Finally as you say Blowfeld, Craig is ether BESTEST BOND EVA!!!!!! or it's, HE'S GREAT!! but we have a few niggles.
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Blowfeld wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Tim Robey/independent.ie--August 5 2017------Comment: Why Daniel Craig should not play Bond again---The ‘novelty’ value of appointing a new face to the iconic role of James Bond is the biggest threat to Daniel Craig’s tenureship, writes Tim Robey. If he is kept on though, don’t viewers deserve to see a return of the brutish animal magnetism that got him hired in the first place? When Daniel Craig took over as 007 in the 2006 Bond film Casino Royale, he brought some exciting new attributes to the role. First among them was his bruiser quality: he looked more likely to scramble out of a bare-knuckle boxing ring than tux up for pre-dinner cocktails. This was a palpably different Bond from any we had seen – one with less of a debonair eyebrow game and more of an edge of menace. He meant business, and the business was mean. Whether he still means it is a whole other question. Last week, a report from the New York Times suggested that his return for Bond 25 was a “done deal” — despite his previous much-quoted statement, since recanted, that he’d rather “slash his own wrists” than step back into the role. But would the Bond films be better off without him? Bond fans love to hate Craig’s second 007 film, Quantum of Solace, for its haphazard action scenes, lack of memorable villains and a title even more meaningless than Never Say Never Again. But there’s a strong case for the defence — and it partly hinges on Craig, whose performance in it is his best as Bond by a mile. The film’s terseness — suicidally un-Bond-like, in some eyes — suited his own. He was rarely saddled with extraneous dialogue or bad jokes. Plus, the death of Eva Green’s Vesper Lynd in the previous outing gave him rare follow-through motivation bubbling under the surface. You could forget the wholly forgettable plot unfolding, and just concentrate on his residual grief and fury. But after Skyfall and Spectre — on which more in a second — the vicious lustre of Craig’s Bond has well and truly faded. His age isn’t a problem — Roger Moore was 57 when had his last hurrah as Bond A View to a Kill, with its hilarious over-reliance on stunt doubles, came out, and Craig isn’t even quite 50. But all the least interesting aspects of Craig’s Bond have lately curdled his persona, turning him into a stiff, Madame Tussauds version of himself. It’s time for a change. For a start, he’s hopeless at being funny. Say what you like about Moore, but he got on the wavelength of those cheesy wisecracks, making even the lamest ones strangely endearing. When Craig attempts one — “Got into some deep water” in Skyfall springs to mind — the level of cringe goes through the roof. He just can’t do it. It’s partly the writers’ fault, for neither appreciating this limitation nor giving Craig better jokes to work with. But his company, like that of any prickly and humourless party guest, is becoming awfully hard work. As for giving Bond sex appeal? Most would point to Connery as the all-round winner in this area, but those famously bulging swimming trunks in Casino Royale could well bag Craig a silver medal. He had a brutish animal magnetism when he took over — so where has it gone? Find me a scene in Spectre, say, which anyone would voluntarily rewind because Daniel Craig is so unforgettably magnetic. Cavorting with Monica Bellucci in that Italian villa? It’s Bellucci, surely, doing all the head-turning. Some said after Craig’s casting that the attitude he gave off was a welcome throwback to the “true” Bond of Ian Fleming’s vision: not a suave operator but a ruthless one, with little time for the after-hours innuendo. It’s true that Craig ditched the come-hither posturing of the Moore and Brosnan years, the sense of vanity. His defining moment in his first ever fight sequence in Casino Royale was when he came crashing down through a building site: on hitting the ground, he merely shook his head to fend off concussion, and continued on. It was clear there would be no Brosnan-esque smarm on his watch. Still, this down-and-dirty machismo has been a less enduring boon than we might have hoped. Contrast Timothy Dalton — the most underrated Bond forever — who managed to act the part better than anyone, save perhaps Connery on a good day. This will be controversial, but I don’t think any of Craig’s Bond pictures beats the grit and romance of The Living Daylights (1987), as technically tatty around the edges as it may look these days. Dalton, balancing Bond’s angst and professionalism with a skill we took for granted, deserved better than two Bond films — certainly in a franchise which is about to hand Craig a fifth, maybe even a sixth. Alas, the paltry box office sealed Dalton’s fate. For all their pros and cons, every one of the candidates who have been dangled to succeed Craig — Tom Hardy, Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba, Michael Fassbender — has a massive advantage over him: novelty. Because the formula is getting stale. Sam Mendes’s much-vaunted directing role on the last two films has attracted world-class cinematographers, to look on the bright side, but it hasn’t brought the best out of Craig at all. He hasn’t looked like he’s enjoying himself. Playing Bond must be unbelievably hard work — long days, arduous location shoots, daunting pressure to live up to the brief. But it shouldn’t look like such hard work, or an audience is likely to get depressed. Connery always pulled it off and kept a sense of fun, a spring in his step, right up to being lured back for Diamonds are Forever (1971). Craig, at this point, emits such grudging enthusiasm for the job that throwing in the towel would only be good for him — and us. :up:
Why is it if anyone dares to criticize Daniel they feel the need to couch it with loving accolades of what a talented thespian he is and how much he brought to the franchises? I came across two similar articles this week about how it is time for a new 007, one first published in 2012, both authors gingerly dance around openly criticizing Daniel the ageing man-ape, much of their complainants speak to why he was wrong for Bond as well as why this direction Barbara undertook was a mistake. Why can they not just say it plainly? What is it about Daniel that requires he be praised before anything negative be given voice?
While, in many ways that Craig killed the franchise for some on this board his impact on the franchise is undeniable. We had Die Another Day love Brosnan or hate him it was a over the top fiasco in a time where The Bourne Identity was showing that a dark gritty spy movie could work. Craig came in with Casino Royale and delivered that Bourne Identity type of movie that none-Bond fans were clamouring for at the time. In many ways Craig and his portrayal of Bond saved the franchise and even introduced the character to a whole new crowd. Now I know some will say Craig wasn't playing "the character" and in many ways that's not wrong. But, Craig's portrayal of Bond has become the bond for none-bond fans which lead to financial success. Love him or hate him Craig's put his stamp on Bond and unless he does one more and it completely bombs (and I think if he does there's a good chance it bombs) his legacy as Bond is secure.
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dirtybenny wrote:
Blowfeld wrote:Why is it if anyone dares to criticize Daniel they feel the need to couch it with loving accolades of what a talented thespian he is and how much he brought to the franchises? I came across two similar articles this week about how it is time for a new 007, one first published in 2012, both authors gingerly dance around openly criticizing Daniel the ageing man-ape, much of their complainants speak to why he was wrong for Bond as well as why this direction Barbara undertook was a mistake. Why can they not just say it plainly? What is it about Daniel that requires he be praised before anything negative be given voice?

I was thinking the exact same thing! There is sort of a best and worst case with all the actors when talking about their films. With Connery he's ether the benchmark all others are compared to, or a sexiest fiend worthy of being burned at the stake, depending on what rag your reading. Lazenby is totally forgotten. Moore is the opposite of Craig, his accolades are couched with criticism or he's dismissed as the "joke Bond" (when they aren't calling him a racist :roll: ). Dalton is considered underrated if he's mentioned at all. Brosnan is given a begrudging credit for Goldeneye re-awaking the sleeping series before getting cut into over how "terrible" he was, or they skip giving credit altogether. Finally as you say Blowfeld, Craig is ether BESTEST BOND EVA!!!!!! or it's, HE'S GREAT!! but we have a few niggles.
Honestly,I think it's all because people who write articles like these "became" Bond fans only when Craig and this pretentiously serious direction took over. But they can't say they only really like Craig because their status as someone who knows a lot about the franchise and therefore is completely right in everything he/she says would be called into question.

And I think deep down even they know he never really played James Bond but they need to make him look superior so of course two other big sharks of the franchise besides Connery,Moore and Brosnan simply need to take a hit.

The truth is no one except other Craig fans who similary became Bond fans around the time of CR hype will applaud this kind of article because casual movie goers don't see a joke Bond or "a man that was good in one movie and terrible in all the rest",they see two men who were great at being Bong(although naturally they do have a preference between the two) each in his own way.
At least that's what I gathered from many conversations I had with casual moviegoers.
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